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I really believe we have become overly concerned about a tyrannical government rounding up and abusing it's citizens. That's a really messy thing for a government to do.
I'll tell you what's sick! People in the UK, in the US, #ing Canada, Sweden - they pay their taxes and some remote-piloted drone fires a missile into a public market to hit some warlord. Yeah, so maybe war doesn't happen for another six months, and the price of that gluten-free sorghum bread stays low. It's not sick to arm people, it's sick to bump off their crooks and dictators in protection of our interests and then call it international justice. These people don't have remote-piloted drones guarding their interests ten-thousand miles away. They don't have a war machine paid for with taxes. Where I am, they usually don't even have a #ing government. The drone is the oppressor. The gluten-free sorghum bread is the oppressor. The AK-47 is the great equalizer.
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. " (Noah Webster, "An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution," 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56 [New York, 1888])
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined. Virginia's U.S. Constitution ratification convention (June 5, 1788), reported in Elliot, Debates of the Several State Conventions 3:45.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by xEphon
Did you ever take time to read about the massacre at Wounded Knee? How about 100,000 Japanese-Americans locked up with no due process? How about proclamations that assassination of American citizens without due process is constitutional no matter where the person is?
Will the government round us up this Friday? I doubt it. However, can I say that the government will never take that step? Nope. History has proven the opposite to be true here and all around the world time and again. Governments all have one thing in common, those in power only wish to gather more power in to their own hands. What can an all powerful government do when there is no way left to fight back?
What you say is true... I've also noticed that people here that have never been under fire brag about being able to shoot holes in paper targets better then combat vets which is also true from what I've personally observed and experienced.... There is a lot more motivation to kill a charging wild boar or a person firing rounds at you and a person that is experienced at taking aim and squeezing off a round under that kind of situation is going to be a hell of a lot more accurate then a civilian hobbyist with a high capacity semiautomatic clone of an assault rifle.. It took me months of not knowing if I was going to sh** or go blind when bullets were flying and mortar rounds were impacting with shrapnel tearing up everything around me before I was able to ignore it all and return fire on the guys behind the muzzle flashes....I wonder how bad ass these guys shooting targets down range would be if the targets had learned and accepted that they should by all reason already be dead and aren't and because of that get off on the rush of escaping the Grim Reaper just one more time.. It is an addiction.... Civilians have no chance in hell against people that are that well versed in putting their lives on the line... Experienced combatants have a sixth sense acquired by observing how their mind and bodies respond to signals they can't see or hear or there wouldn't be as many of them still alive and unwilling to put up with all of the misconstrued ideas non combatants think they understand and are capable of doing.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by Sek82
It would seem that only highlights the point that he was trying to make. The soldier evolves with time. What the soldier of today does and believes does not represent the soldier of 2050.
My dad's biological father served in Korea. Others told me he was one of the craziest men they ever served with. People wanted to serve with him because they believed he could get them home. He never mentioned his skills or Korea once.
My dad's step dad served in Vietnam and had two purple hearts, and several other medals. He never talked about his exploits or prowess.
How much have things changed in 40 years? Not as a knock on the OP. It seems to be common that soldiers I run in to brag about, not their service, but their skills in fighting. It is definitely something I see more of in younger soldiers. So, what might young soldiers be like in another 40 years?edit on 27-1-2013 by MikeNice81 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Matt1951
I understand the OP point. However, no civilian needs an AK47 or AR15. Jeff Cooper wrote for many years - bolt action worked best. An AR is good for laying down suppressive fire for the Army in combat. This has no application for survivalists. One shot, one hit is the key. Not spray and pray.