reply to post by TheWetCoast
You seem like an ok and well intentioned sort of guy - there was no insult intended.
With all due respect though I don't think you realise exactly how ridiculous these claims of national heritage due to an ancestor being born in a
nation x hundred years ago are to anyone outside of North America.
And talk of Clan allegiance is nonsensical.
But as you say, you stimulated discussion - and a relatively respectful one at that, and that can only be commended.
reply to post by christina-66
The thing is, Scottish nationalism and independance has always been on the agenda and has always been talked about, certainly for as long as I can
Whilst not being given as much air time and exposure by MSM as the mainstream parties, Scottish nationalists have always had access to MSM and have
been given a certain amount of deference and respect.
The same opportunities, deference and respect is not shown to English Nationalists - in fact the very opposite is true.
This hasn't stopped their movement - but it has severely restricted the opportunity to voice their opinion to the masses.
In light of this it's actually quite amazing that there is so much support for English independance.
I wonder what the level of support would be if we were ever able to hold a reasoned, open and honest public debate on the subject?
The perception I get viewing the debate on Scottish indpendance from England is that there is a distinct danger that Salmond and his cronies are in
danger of turning it into a debate on their vision of what an independant Scotland would be.
In the interests of an open and honest debate it really has to be stressed that a vote for independance is not a vote for the SNP.
In 2004 we had a vote on a North Eastern Assembly.
Displaying remarkable wisdom we inexplicably voted against it.
If Scotland does vote for independance then the rest of the UK will be doomed to a permanent Conservative government.
That is not a prospect that I look forward to.
I wonder how many who failed to vote in the 2004 referendum or who voted against the Assembly will then regret their decision?
Personally I'd like to see increased devolved power to all the nations and regions within the UK along with a radical overhaul of our electoral and
parliamentary procedures giving increased power to the electorate and increased accountability of all elected officials, at all levels.
I'd prefer this to be done within some sort of Federal framework thus preserving The Union whilst recognising national and regional differences and
In light of all that is it any wonder that my personal opinions are not clouded somewhat by 'referendum envy'?
edit on 26/1/13 by Freeborn