Originally posted by twitchy
After reading your post, I think we're done here. Bait only works if the fish are biting and I've had more than a few of those hooks in my jaw.

Kind of sad that you cannot address simple questions or points directed at your person.

I've said what was needed.

Yeah, little and lacking.

A sad state of decline upon masonry, it has no place in the modern world and my sincere thanks to you for literally personifying my point.

Sorry to report that my lodge is thriving so it appears that there are people who greatly disagree with you which I am sure you find completely untolerable.

Originally posted by NarrowGate
Mass was packed yesterday. Bet you find that intolerable.

Not at all, if it makes people happy then by all means they should be doing what they want.

Originally posted by NarrowGate
AM finds the Church intolerable. He has made that clear.

Maybe you can show me where I said that.

I said I find religious, hypocritical zealots intolerable. You know, the ones outlined in the Original Post. But if you feel you need to have a martyr complex maybe they can make room in the saintly pantheon for Santo Narrowgate.

Originally posted by NarrowGate
AM finds the Church intolerable. He has made that clear.

Still waiting on that quote.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by NarrowGate
AM finds the Church intolerable. He has made that clear.

Maybe you can show me where I said that.

I said I find religious, hypocritical zealots intolerable. You know, the ones outlined in the Original Post. But if you feel you need to have a martyr complex maybe they can make room in the saintly pantheon for Santo Narrowgate.

I will remind you of the post where you said "The Church wants nothing to do with us, and personally I like it that way". Now I will remind you of all of the other things you have said about the Church. Now I will ask why you want me to dig up the quotes?. I bet I don't get an honest answer to what is in bold. No not at all. You will do the same things you always do.

Originally posted by NarrowGate
I will remind you of the post where you said "The Church wants nothing to do with us, and personally I like it that way".

And? How is the fact that I am no longer Roman Catholic and do not want the Roman Catholic Church to be involved with a fraternal orginization I am a member of intolerant?

Now I will remind you of all of the other things you have said about the Church. Now I will ask why you want me to dig up the quotes?.

Because you have a remarkable way of taking things completely out of context, exagerating them and/or then claiming that they are lies as is demonstrated above. Post a single one of these alleged quotes. Just one.

I bet I don't get an honest answer to what is in bold. No not at all. You will do the same things you always do.

Sorry to disappoint you, you got your answer as I always answer questions.

Masons are getting quite heavy critisism especially from the church.

I have heard the one of the reason of it is historical. When the freemasons secret society was formed, it served one main purpose. To be a place where free-willed, free-minded men can come, who serve higher knowledge, which the Church had diminished. During that period church was really heavy against unreligious people, people who did not accepted the God they pressured on people. That was the reason why they started going underground. And then the Church started spreading rumours about them, about the satanism, world controls and other similar conspiries, just because they did not obey to the Church, when the Church was in charge.

I do not know the details, but as far as I have heard, Freemasonry is far of what it has made to seem like. It is basically about knowledge, morals and brotherhood. No Illuminatis or anything like that.They believe in God or some higher power, but in a different way as the bible does.

Originally posted by Cabin
I have heard the one of the reason of it is historical. When the freemasons secret society was formed, it served one main purpose. To be a place where free-willed, free-minded men can come, who serve higher knowledge, which the Church had diminished.

This is accurate. The Catholic Church did and still does want to have a monopoly and the name you use to call God and any orginization that promotes the acceptance of differing beliefs is a threat to that monopoly.

It is basically about knowledge, morals and brotherhood.

That about sums it up if include charity as well.

They believe in God or some higher power, but in a different way as the bible does.

Not a 'higher power' but a Supreme Being, A.K.A, God. We just do not force you to call him Jesus or Allah, or Yahweh or Shismar, etc

An exceprt of a post from another thread I authored in which the poster utilizes most of the tactics outlined in the Original Post with typical abandon:

Originally posted by irishpackerfan68
Well, lets get started. (I dont want to name all the thousands that I lot of time to put into) but I will name the most famous freemasons who did end up turning their backs on the occult because they realized how much BS freemasonry is. I actually find it ironic that you all use the same mentality as inter city gangs use. O brother (no pun intended
(All were freemasons that left and later testified to Freemasonry being a form of Satanism)
Pope Leo the 8th
William Schnoebelen author of Masonry Beyond The Light
John Quincy Adams
ALBERT PIKE (If you're true masons you should know that the first 92 pages of your "holy bible" [even though its suppose to mock the concept of a bible. I get it your humor sucks] contain his quotes yet he freely backhanded your society.)
George Washington
Theres much more theres many more books articles that go with what im saying.

Another true 'Christian' lying in the name of Jesus.

Why is this acceptable?