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Originally posted by MrBigDave
Webster's dictionary defines murder as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"
As long as abortion is allowed by the law it is NOT Murder.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by tetra50
Your response has got me thinking, it was women who pushed for their pro-choice rights, so it will be women who have to push back and become the majority who say it's murder to end this, nothing else will work. Thus a greater responsibility rests with womankind on this issue. They must become a political force, that forces the courts and legislators to reverse this.
edit on 22-1-2013 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)
It's 2013. Let's stop pretending a 4,000 year old book that has been changed thousands of times by human beings has control over every single person's life. This is not a legitimate source of human morality whatsoever. Look at the last scripture you quoted: "Make sure you're a sociopath or God is your enemy"; come on, now.
James 4:4 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Well, starting with the New Testament, we have this:
It's 2013. Let's stop pretending a 4,000 year old book that has been changed thousands of times by human beings has control over every single person's life. This is not a legitimate source of human morality whatsoever. Look at the last scripture you quoted: "Make sure you're a sociopath or God is your enemy"; come on, now.
When scholars have copies of ancient writings, they can:
A) Compare the different copies that they have (if the copies are wildly different, then obviously many changes were made)
B) Determine how much time has passed between the time the texts were written and the earliest copies (the greater the amount of time, the more likely the possibility of changes having happened)
C) Look at where the various copies were found (if all ancient copies were from one specific area, the easier it would have been to make changes that were reflected in all existing copies)
D) Look at references to the ancient texts in other works, if any (if other authors refer to or quote from the ancient text, but they say something different than what our copies say, then clearly someone changed things somewhere along the line).
The result of studying these factors for the Biblical texts, and comparing them to these factors for other works like those of Homer, Virgil and Plato, tell us something very interesting. There is far, far greater manuscript support for the Biblical texts than there is for any other ancient writing. There isn't even a close second.
We have around 24,000 ancient copies, either partial or complete, of the New Testament. About 5600 of those are in Greek, the language the NT was originally written in, and provide us with the best comparisons. What ancient text comes in second, then? That would be Homer's "Iliad", of which we have 643 ancient copies in the original language, and is generally considered to be the most well-preserved non-Biblical text.
And how soon after the original were they written? For the New Testament, the earliest fragment would be a difference of 30 years for a part of John's Gospel. For most texts, we're talking about 150-200 years between the writing and the earliest copies. For Homer's "Iliad", the earliest fragment dates to about 500 years after it was written.
As for comparing the different copies, if we do so for the New Testament writings, we find them to be 99.5% similar, with the only differences being primarily in wording (like saying "Christ Jesus" instead of "Jesus Christ"), and not any differences in actual meaning.
Like I said, the New Testament writings are 99.5% similar between ancient copies. For Homer's "Iliad", it's only 95%.
Originally posted by OldSchoolMom
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
1 Timothy 2:12
New International Version (NIV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.
1) Regardless of your opinion about the outcome, Roe v. Wade is considered to be the worst example of legal reasoning in modern times by nearly everyone.
But eventually, we will have to get to it,