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Originally posted by jiggerj
Curious. Why didn't the radio-active fallout from the blast destroy the picture?
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
The emperor had given the direct order to surrender days before Hiroshima, the allied code breakers did know this, but chose to drop it anyway.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
The emperor had given the direct order to surrender days before Hiroshima, the allied code breakers did know this, but chose to drop it anyway.
Care to back that up with some facts? If Japan had wanted to surrender they would have. But the bleeding hearts have to blame someone else, it was not poor innocent Japan's fault! It must be the fault of the USA.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Wrong, it's common ww2 knowledge that the Japanese were frantically trying to surrender.
It is proven that the emperor gave direct orders to surrender to both the Americans AND the Soviets before the bomb.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by smyleegrl
Curious. Why didn't the radio-active fallout from the blast destroy the picture?
That is an interesting question. Only from JiggerJ!
There is a certain brilliance in knowing how to answer questions. But the TRUE brilliance lies in knowing which questions to ask to begin with.
Well done, sir.edit on 12-1-2013 by bigfatfurrytexan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by jiggerj
Curious. Why didn't the radio-active fallout from the blast destroy the picture?
Why do you think it would have destroyed the picture? There are many pictures of atomic bomb blasts.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Wrong, it's common ww2 knowledge that the Japanese were frantically trying to surrender.
Only amongst revisionists. If japan had wanted to surrender they would have.
It is proven that the emperor gave direct orders to surrender to both the Americans AND the Soviets before the bomb.
Well, there is your problem. Why should the USA and Soviets surrender to Japan? Japan is the country that had to surrender, not the USA and the Soviets.
And your source for that claim is....
Originally posted by jiggerj
If the pic in the OP was taken on the ground in Hiroshima, surely it had to be within the fallout range, and taken with an unprotected camera. Wouldn't you think?
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Japan was trying desperately to surrender to the states and Russia. I'm sorry I can't think of the sources for it right now, I promise it's standard history.
Of course the Japanese were ready to surrender, they were keeping it in secret
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
reply to post by smyleegrl
I remember reading that book in either 5th or 6th grade. It's a pretty touching book. We also tried our hands at making paper cranes ourselves.
I wish HS and College were as much fun as gradeschool was
I still get that "Voyage of the Mimi" theme song stuck in my head to this day, 17 or so years later.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Japan was trying desperately to surrender to the states and Russia. I'm sorry I can't think of the sources for it right now, I promise it's standard history.
No, standard history states Japan was warned about the first bomb, they refused to surrender. The first bomb was dropped, Japan still refused to surrender. The second bomb was dropped, Japan refused to surender. it took the intervention of the emperor, and even then parts of the military tried a coup, before Japan surrendered.
Of course the Japanese were ready to surrender, they were keeping it in secret
Oh, so Japan was trying to surrender in secret!
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by jiggerj
If the pic in the OP was taken on the ground in Hiroshima, surely it had to be within the fallout range, and taken with an unprotected camera. Wouldn't you think?
What sort of radiation? A piece of paper will stop Alpha radiation,
www.blackcatsystems.com...
The film would be protected within the camera, it may have been a bit fogged but it was taken about 6 miles from the blast, and minutes after.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
That is simply not true, look, we aren't talking about what you learn by reading some wikipedia or text book, this is based on analysis of the cracked codes between tokyo and their surrogates. The japanese were internally trying to surrender without publicly declaring it yet.
And you're wrong, the Japanese WERE in fact warned about something that was going to happen in the Hiroshima region,
Originally posted by jiggerj
My next question would be if the thin metal of a camera can protect a film from fallout, then why won't human skin protect our organs from it?
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
That is simply not true, look, we aren't talking about what you learn by reading some wikipedia or text book, this is based on analysis of the cracked codes between tokyo and their surrogates. The japanese were internally trying to surrender without publicly declaring it yet.
Your source for that is....
And you're wrong, the Japanese WERE in fact warned about something that was going to happen in the Hiroshima region,
I said that they WERE warned, in another thread I posted a link to that warning....
Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by Jykan
Yes I agree.
I talk to my (older) students about WWII....and the terrible bombs we dropped. I explain both sides of the argument, about the deterrent factor and ending the war. Then we read Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes. (a book about a young girl born after the bomb, who died of leukemia...true story. I highly recommend it if you want a human touch to this tragedy).
I want my students to know there are two sides to the story.
Originally posted by horseplay
reply to post by smyleegrl
Hi Smylee -
my uncle flew in the squadron that dropped that bomb. When I was a teenager he told me the story. At that time he was dieing of cancer. Go figure.
But as he told me his squadron was on a 'normal' bomb run. they had no idea what they were doing. they had simply been ordered to go drop a bomb.