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Vitamin C - What You Don't Know May Kill You AND Why The USDA is Wrong

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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


I disagree.

The level of vit c you are aiming for is way too much.

I realize you already pulled this one on everyone here but not me.
Im not buying it I know your interpretations are clever exaggerations.


Way to high for what? What is too high?

Do you have any data to back up what is too high?
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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by thebtheb
Some extremely valuable vitamin C information that has been known for decades, but ignored a lot:

Vitamin C

This shows, among other things, how large doses of vitamin C can effectively cure the flu, colds, and a ton of other ailments MUCH better than anything the doctor will ever offer you. I suggest a close look at this page for anyone interested in vitamin C.


Yes, that is an excellent link. I used it in the OP.

Everyone should take the time to read it.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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reply to post by Ektar
 


Thanks...guess I should look into taking Levoxyl in the evening
because I often forget to take Vitamins in the mid afternoon.
I had followed the other Liposomal C thread from the beginning but
haven't been there
in several months due to it being off & on re post. I will re check.
I find it all very interesting & would like to try it but cannot afford to
at the moment.
Thanks for all your input & research.

Cheers
Ektar



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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Ill debate because you are speading half truth.

The difference here:

I send people to the fruit and veggie isle.

You are insinuating they should go to the pharmacy.

We are in opposition.

Why are you afraid to debate me?
This is ATS, your misleading thread has 160+ flags, and I want to argue about your claims because I dont buy them.
I can be convinced but its not gonna be easy.

If what you claim were true 100%, you shouldnt have any issues debating.
The fact you said you dont wanna tango is a huge Red Flag imho.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Ill debate because you are speading half truth.

The difference here:

I send people to the fruit and veggie isle.

You are insinuating they should go to the pharmacy.

We are in opposition.

Why are you afraid to debate me?
This is ATS, your misleading thread has 160+ flags, and I want to argue about your claims because I dont buy them.
I can be convinced but its not gonna be easy.

If what you claim were true 100%, you shouldnt have any issues debating.
The fact you said you dont wanna tango is a huge Red Flag imho.


What half truth am I spreading - I've backed up every claim with medical research.

I HAVE NOT recommended anyone go the the pharmacy - where did you get this from?

I'm not afraid to debate you at all - I just find it tiring and boring because you have failed to read all the research, proof and medical studies I have provided and you want me to continue to explain it to you.
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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Too much is beyond body absorbtion capacity.
After that its waste.

" Increasing absorbtion rates" through methods offered are controversial and there is as much claiming the opposite.

I just find all of this unreasonable.

And there is no such thing as optimum health. There is heathy and sick, and Im not sick.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Where else will people get vit c?
If not a local pharmacy ( heath stores included)?

I though any place that sold a drug fell under that terminology.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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For all the naysayers and rabble rousers, here is living proof of the benefit of taking intravenous Vitamin C.

Many of you like proof, right??? Well, watch the video and post something negative about it. That is a challenge.




posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Where else will people get vit c?
If not a local pharmacy ( heath stores included)?

I though any place that sold a drug fell under that terminology.


I buy 100% pure vitamin C powder from amazon.com.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Too much is beyond body absorbtion capacity.
After that its waste.

" Increasing absorbtion rates" through methods offered are controversial and there is as much claiming the opposite.

I just find all of this unreasonable.

And there is no such thing as optimum health. There is heathy and sick, and Im not sick.


Since my body is absorbing 90% there is very little waste.

Where is your data that says that 1,000mg - 2,000mg a day is too much?

Just because you "think" it sounds unreasonable doesn't hold much credence.
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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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reply to post by Jaellma
 


Videos can be faked plus videos arent usually considered definitive evidence of a chemical reaction inside someone.

Also I dont disagree with medicinal use it may be smart and effective treatment or cure.

But do I need a supplement? Doubtful, I eat fresh produce already.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Julie Washington

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Where else will people get vit c?
If not a local pharmacy ( heath stores included)?

I though any place that sold a drug fell under that terminology.


I buy 100% pure vitamin C powder from amazon.com.


So amazon is an online pharmacy.

And its easy to affiliate with to push website sales, I am told.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Jaellma
 


Videos can be faked plus videos arent usually considered definitive evidence of a chemical reaction inside someone.

Also I dont disagree with medicinal use it may be smart and effective treatment or cure.

But do I need a supplement? Doubtful, I eat fresh produce already.


See this is what I find quite tiring and boring.

The "60 Minutes" video was certainly not faked.

I've provided proof to you that your fruits and vegetables don't have as much vitimins in them as you think, but you refuse to believe it.

I've provided proof to you of the benefits of vitamin C, but you don't believe it.

There's not much more I can do.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:25 PM
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reply to post by muzzleflash
 
Stop obfuscating and admit you are trolling.

I would entertain you more on this but since you haven't even watched the video, I can't waste my time listening to baseless arguments just for the sake of it.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Julie Washington

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Too much is beyond body absorbtion capacity.
After that its waste.

" Increasing absorbtion rates" through methods offered are controversial and there is as much claiming the opposite.

I just find all of this unreasonable.

And there is no such thing as optimum health. There is heathy and sick, and Im not sick.


Since my body is absorbing 90% there is very little waste.

Where is your data that says that 1,000mg - 2,000mg a day is too much?


This is your thread and your claims.
You have to convince me, not I you.

Now Prove your rate of absorbtion is 90% or so.
You cannot without the aid of a lab.

If you do have documents from testing proving this please share.
Otherwise I know you're pretending those numbers based off assumptions.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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Why dont you just tell me what the video claims?

And debate my claims not my person, thanks.
Calling someone a troll is ad hominem logical fallacy and unacceptable in proper arguements.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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I am a person who disagrees for many reasons, which are stated in depth on this subject in other ats threads.

Why should I be condemned for not agreeing?

And you wonder why I dont trust anything anymore?

Im totally suspicious of financial motives here also.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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reply to post by muzzleflash
 
Before I tell you what the video claims, let me remind you what you said...

I am extremely healthy, feel great, and can think quite clearly. For all my life even. And I Never take supplements. Its unnecessary, as I have a reasonable diet.

Having a good diet is all you need, dont buy into the supplement industry propaganda, its overpriced anyway.

If you are sick and desparate , go ahead and try it though since its somewhat safe. But ask yourself this: How did people live heathy historically before the advent of supplements?

A: A good diet



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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This is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, antioxidants are beneficial when taken in at certain levels, as they combat oxidative stress caused by oxidizing agents or "free radicals". BUT, too high levels of antioxidants will most certainly result in reductive stress, which remains somewhat mysterious, yet has been shown to be just as detrimental to human health as oxidative damage.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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I know for sure now whats going on.

I NEVER said vit C wasnt beneficial. But you just straw manned me and claimed I said that.

I agree 100% that its absolutely required to live healthy.

I disagreed on amount, and stated fresh produce would fill requirements.
You countered with link about food degradation which is reasonable to an extent depending on a lot of variables.

I still pushed onward after calculating that a 50-75% reduction in quality wasnt quite enough to force supplementation.

So I still disagree on amount, and thats my only real point of contention.
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