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Originally posted by LEL01
reply to post by tdk84
Do you have any idea what the mistakes are that they're saying France has made? I'm clueless as to what they're talking about so I don't even know what to look for to find out.
My concerns about leaving but going back to a trade agreement which is what we voted for in 1975 (not me) is that they still have a certain amount of control over us. We would still have the farming and fishing regulations, we really need to be in control of our own food supplies.
I know the other 26 countries won't want us to leave because of the money we pay into it but I'm sure there must be people in all of those countries who also don't want to be part of it.
I can't see why we can't be in control of our own countries but stand together if/when we are in trouble or under threat.
Originally posted by CJCrawleyWe can all talk about supposed benefits of membership (though I haven't noticed too many during the last 40 years), but the fact is this is a political union, not simply a trade agreement.
That means we will lose our sovereignty and become a mere state within a federation of states, ruled remotely out of Brussels.
This hasn't fully happened yet, but it will.
We will lose our miles and have to accept kilometres (again, not happened yet but will).
Also, something perhaps not given too much thought by most people, but we could conceivably lose our language; most of us just assume it will be English because of US influence, though, with Germany at the helm, it could be German - there are actually more German-speakers in Europe than any other language.
Say the eurocrats in Brussels decide on German as the official language.
That means all official correspondence would have to be in German. Yes, we'd carry on speaking English, but would have to learn German....good enough to read and write it.
All letters, emails...
Good, eh?
Not to mention many other types of interference in our everyday lives, as the EU strives to standardise life within the federation.
I have already noticed a lot more paperwork in my job, a lot more bureaucracy.
Oh, and we will completely lose control of our borders (if you think the New Labour years were bad, you aint seen nothing yet, kid).
The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) manages the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) in England. This fund is focused on reducing economic disparities within and between EU member states by supporting economic regeneration and safeguarding jobs. According to DCLG since 2000, England has benefited from more than €5 billion of funding, with a further €3.2 billion being invested between 2007 and 2013 in local projects around the country. The Committee invited submissions from interested parties on the operation of the ERDF in England.
Where are you getting your information from? English Accounts for 51% of the E.U. population, the next closest is German but its miles off. Not to mention the Anglosphere 1800 M people speak English its the most dominant language in the world
German is the main language of about 90–95 million people in Europe (as of 2004), or 13.3% of all Europeans, being the second most spoken native language in Europe after Russian, above French (66.5 million speakers in 2004) and English (64.2 million speakers in 2004).
Originally posted by tdk84
Oh, and we will completely lose control of our borders (if you think the New Labour years were bad, you aint seen nothing yet, kid).
As mentioned before you make it sold like this is a sole issue of the United Kingdom, its an E.U. wide problem. Border and immigration laws will be changed and modified, the E.U is so young, it needs time to get things right.edit on 16-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)edit on 16-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)
I'm only interested in the UK, being a citizen thereof.
And if the EU "is so young, it needs time to get things right"
........let's wait till it's a bit older and wiser, shall we?edit on 16-1-2013 by CJCrawley because: (no reason given)edit on 16-1-2013 by CJCrawley because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CJCrawley
In reply to tdk84
Where are you getting your information from? English Accounts for 51% of the E.U. population, the next closest is German but its miles off. Not to mention the Anglosphere 1800 M people speak English its the most dominant language in the world
I'm not talking about the world, just Europe.
And in European terms, English is a minority language.
en.wikipedia.org...
German is the main language of about 90–95 million people in Europe (as of 2004), or 13.3% of all Europeans, being the second most spoken native language in Europe after Russian, above French (66.5 million speakers in 2004) and English (64.2 million speakers in 2004).
So.....
1. Russian
2. German
3. French
4. English
In 2004 at any rate, English was the 4th most spoken European tongue. I don't suppose a lot has changed since then in English's favour.
Russian, German, and French all have more native speakers than English.
Still confident about English being the favoured official tongue of the Fourth Reich.....er, sorry, the EU?
edit on 16-1-2013 by CJCrawley because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CJCrawley
Oh, and we will completely lose control of our borders (if you think the New Labour years were bad, you aint seen nothing yet, kid).
As mentioned before you make it sold like this is a sole issue of the United Kingdom, its an E.U. wide problem. Border and immigration laws will be changed and modified, the E.U is so young, it needs time to get things right.edit on 16-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)edit on 16-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)
I'm only interested in the UK, being a citizen thereof.
And if the EU "is so young, it needs time to get things right"
........let's wait till it's a bit older and wiser, shall we?edit on 16-1-2013 by CJCrawley because: (no reason given)edit on 16-1-2013 by CJCrawley because: (no reason given)
edit on 16-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by LEL01
As an American, Let me warn you. If one of your politicians says our president (Obama) backs or supports anything,... It ain't a good deal for ya'll.
Originally posted by tdk84
German accounts for 16% of the population by first langue. Beating English which is at 13%. Where English wins is due to the popularity for English as a Additional language or an L2 language. 38% speaking English as a second & only 11% for German.
I think most people (myself included) would agree that English has to be the likely preference, though there's no absolute guarantee on this.
One thing's for definite: there will be one official language for the union, it's inevitable.
Whatever that language turns out to be, it's going to enrage millions of people who don't speak that language.
Originally posted by tdk84
German accounts for 16% of the population by first langue. Beating English which is at 13%. Where English wins is due to the popularity for English as a Additional language or an L2 language. 38% speaking English as a second & only 11% for German.
I think most people (myself included) would agree that English has to be the likely preference, though there's no absolute guarantee on this.
One thing's for definite: there will be one official language for the union, it's inevitable.
Whatever that language turns out to be, it's going to enrage millions of people who don't speak that language.
Originally posted by tdk84
My point is if all countries in the Europe are experiencing the same problem it will obviously be fixed. and your also missing my point... although the E.U is young and made mistakes these factors will obviously be fixed soon due to the explicit nature of a E.U wide issue, it wont and cant be allowed to carry on. They have been talking about an immigration fix. For example the issue is far higher then anything the UK has in Germany, don't you think they will want this changing just as much as Britian, it will be resolved.
One problem that can't ever be fixed is the fact that this is a political union and not merely a common market.
We didn't join a political union in 1973 nor vote to stay in a political union in the1975 referendum.
Obviously, the country would have overwhelmingly rejected that proposition.
Which is why they will overwhelmingly vote to leave the EU, given the opportunity.
And quite rightly so.
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