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Originally posted by Rex282
The REAL crux of the WHOLE matter of Everything is... mankind does NOT have free will.It is the ONLY logical and truthful conclusion if there is a creator God /source(and there is ).God is 100% sovereign(the only sovereign there is) therefore everything that is God wills ...happens.It doesn't matter one bit what anyone else will is... Gods will trumps all and is in complete control of ALL things.
Man may make many choices all day for a lifetime however none of them are free from cause/effect...the most basic unbreakable law of existence. ALL was/is/will be caused by the Creator God.It can be no other way.If there is no creator God it is up to those that believe so to provide the burden of proof.It takes very little imagination to see the universe did not create itself. For those that say they believe all the scriptures read Isaiah 45:6 and Colossians 1:16-17 1 for a few of the many scriptures that support causation and the completely soveriegn will of The Creator God..
God does not have to prove anything to mankind that he exists and is the sovereign of all.He is not "pining" after humanity wishing they would come to love him or he'll fry you in a mythical hell for eternity.It is obvious God is very content that billions would believe that.because...God is causing it ALL for Gods purposes not ours.He is not worried about anyone receiving the eternal punishment of hell... there is none..just as is there is no heaven "somewhere out there" that the majority who believe in hell believe in...it is IN your midst.
Those doctrines are God giving man over to their reprobate mind of religion.... ALL is religion.i.e..The worship of MAN (themselves) as God.Idolatry.That is what man is doing when they think their will is free to "will" as they please". God the creator is causing EVERYTHING.He created EVERYTHING.He created light and dark and ..Good...and EVIL.That also means God is RESPONSIBLE for everything....in both senses of the word.
I am not trying to convince anyone of this because I know for a fact it is impossible to believe unless God reveals it (unveils..apocalypse).There is a reason and purpose for EVERYTHING even this great blindness that ALL of mankind was born with.All of mankind will be healed of this great blindness and see the futility of believing otherwise.In one sense it doesn't change anything... except your perception of LIFE! I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Originally posted by drivers1492
reply to post by Akragon
Everlasting fire has symbolic meaning... Not to be taken literally... Similar to what he said about hell, only when he spoke of "hell" it was a literal meaning... Look up the word Gehenna, it was an actual place where the bodies of the dead who couldn't afford a proper burial were thrown, and they used sulphur to dispose of the material so as not to spread disease. Which is where the fire and "brimstone" idea came from. The fires in Gehenna burned day and night which is where the "eternal fire" came from.
Would this same symbolic meaning include the writings stating that satan is thrown into an everlasting fire? Or were those particular instances not to be considered symbolic?edit on 11-1-2013 by drivers1492 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by akushla99
Originally posted by Rex282
The REAL crux of the WHOLE matter of Everything is...
What you have described is an eminently 'zoomed out' view...describing all situational phenomena - macro and micro - as merely the will of god...and in a sense, this is correct (and you, in fact allude to it - then, decry its phenomenonilisation at an individual level??)...whatever, confusing in its scattergun approach...you are hitting some things...
Your last paragraph exactly describes why you do have FREE WILL (albeit, your adamant denial of it - one wonders then, who is denying?...you, or god?)
The inclusion of the 'exclusionist' paraphenalia of one 'johnny-come-lately' cosmologie, is testament to your claim that you have no will, and instead rely on referred passages that, 'your will?', or the 'will of god?' has cherry picked from relatively recent musings...Is your god exclusionist?...even of interpretation of itself?
I tend to agree with the thrust of what you present...but the ends of those pieces of string are very frayed, and unable to tie anything faithfully...
A99
Originally posted by Akragon
What is left is that person/soul's Karma, even Karmic "debt"... which remains until its "resolved" in one way or the other...
Originally posted by Akragon
That actually suprizes me... I thought you would have noticed an Anti OT God trend in my threads
Originally posted by Akragon
You like gnostic texts right?
Originally posted by Akragon
Take a look over these two books... You'll get a better idea of what im talking about with the OT God...
www.gnosis.org...
www.gnosis.org...
The Apocryphon of James and John...
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Out of the entirety of your ridiculous post, I feel the need to respond to only the telepathy portion.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Telepathy has been proven. Numerous times. Just because you cannot reach out and poke a copper wire or a plastic receiver, does not mean something isn't there.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You just aren't perceptive enough.
The problem with those Gnostics texts below, especially the Apocryphon of John, is that they believed in both Hell, Heaven and Reincarnation.
You clearly believe in reincarnation, and have shown through the many threads you have made on this subject, that you strongly disapprove of this place called Hell. And yet, you are at the same time, using material, i.e. the Apocryphon of John, which also mentions Hell, within it’s theology…
I did notice your Anti OT God trend, but I thought you had found the truth, which I outlined in my last post, but it’s now clear that you haven’t. Jesus makes too! many references in the NT, to the Abrahamic line, and the God of the OT…
So how do you propose to deal with all those passages
Yes, I’ve read many of them, but I personally don’t believe that they got everything right
I’m not entirely sure how you are using the Apocryphon of James and John, to conclude that the God in Genesis, is not the God that Jesus represents…
Can you highlight a verse, or least give me a better idea of your thinking on this?…
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Nicely done Mom, I could have sworn I'd locked that door.
It was locked, but I have the secret Gnostic key to open it…
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
This planet is an experiment, no holds barred, free will and all; to see if humankind is going to figure it out for the very first time or kill itself (very tiresome) again.
I believe there was a time when all men lived in the knowledge of the truth and their divine connection to the Father God etc, but at some stage further back in time, that all changed.
All men must now strive to get back to living in that truth, before, like you mentioned above, we destroy each other.
Sorry for that first crazy reply, that is not my usual posting style, as anyone here on ATS will testify too.
Peace be with you…
- JC
What makes you think Rome didn't model their story around that of Mithras or Horus? Jesus wasn't born from a virgin and didn't travel with 12 (astrological/pagan number) disciples nor did he die then resurrect. Those are details added in by the pagans, so yes they did hijack it. Jesus was born just like anyone else is born, by a human mother AND human father.
The fact that Jesus shares the same story as Mithras, a PAGAN deity, should go to show that his story was messed with by the pagans.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by AfterInfinity
You're the one who addressed me first, am I not supposed to respond to it? Just because what I said is logical and makes sense doesn't mean you have to put up your defenses and walk away.
You should learn from it rather than flat out denying it without explaining why. You believe the story of Jesus is nonsensical in some parts right? Maybe that's because someone turned it into nonsense in order to push an agenda? I think so and I believe pagans (Rome) are the ones who did it.
I don't call myself anything, I do not throw labels on myself. I am more a seeker than anything I guess.edit on 17-1-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)