Originally posted by pheonix358
Do I want to go to Heaven?
No one enters the Kingdom against their will.
On this occasion our unwinnable topic was, “That God is good.” We were on the negative!
Then I, as our Second speaker, spoke about God! I went through Biological attacks on Egypt, Plagues, locusts, poisoning water supplies, killing
Infants and new born male children. I went through the crime of Genocide with the flood and noted the huge animal cruelty issues as well. We went
through the likely view as Noah looked out of the Ark to see bodies, including little babies, floating and bloating.
Just because you, me, the second speaker, everyone and their dog can't think of a good reason for God to do these these things - does not mean that
a good reason does not exist.
It would be akin to explaining to a newborn why a painful vaccine is actually a good thing. It is a very delicate
and serious issue to be sure; but please remember you're theoretically attempting to outwit the Being who gave you the ability to reason; who created
logic itself. Do you really think that if He does exist and that if He is good - that somehow He's missed something you haven't?
Then our third speaker took to the podium, summarized our case quite nicely and then made the point that the debate was not about God’s right
to do as he pleases, but rather, Is God good.
What authority are you appealing to regarding morality? If God is not good, who/what determines what IS good? If God is not good, is there morality at
all? If so, is it objective? Or subjective? IF there is objective morality - from what authority? If it morality is subjective - then someone could
just as easily say that what God did WAS good given the changeable nature of morality. To even be able to claim that God is not good you must
appeal to an authority that can determine that which is good from that which is not good. Or it's all subjective. All of it.
My question is this! For all the people that are going to Heaven, what will it be like?
I am used to Freedom. Heaven is a Dictatorship.
This is why it is so important for someone to invite
truth into their life - to actively seek it, to want
the truth more than anything
else. Once they find the truth, they are free to choose. If they want nothing to do with God and His Kingdom - they won't be forced to be part of the
coming world. It's that simple. THIS is why it's so important for people to believe. If you join Him it's because you were FREE to do so; were free to
align yourself with His thought. If you know who He is and reject Him; if you know His law and reject it - what is God to do? Bind you to Himself for
all eternity without your consent? How would that be just? Merciful? Those who wish to be with Him will; those who don't, won't.
Heaven has no booze, no computer games, perhaps some sport. What will I do with an eternity of time.
You seem to be misunderstanding the concept of eternity. Eternity is marked by the absence
of time - not endless time. Eternity is not
experienced durationally. It is an experience so completely foreign to us that attempting to speak of it in words is beyond pointless.
One assumes that sex is out of the question going by either the Catholics or the Bible Thumpers. What do we all do, sit around on clouds
singing revival songs? We were not supposed to eat from the tree on knowledge so expanding my mind seems out of the question.
We already ate from that tree. It's not like you have to go forage from the tree of knowledge everytime you learn something do you? We will however,
eat from the tree of life.
Scripture hints at what our life will be like. It speaks of New Moons and Sabbaths, lunar and solar cycles which means there will be planets, moons,
and stars. Scripture speaks of rivers, pastures, animals, vegetation, trees, fruit, etc which will inhabit the New Earth - clearly hinting at diverse
animal and vegetable kingdoms. It speaks about His people eating from gardens they themselves planted; inhabiting houses they themselves built. We
will have privacy (this specifically, is mentioned), activity, growth, learning, etc. It's not some vague, disembodied, ethereal existence. It's a
very clear, very lasting reality.
Hell may be a nice place to visit friends, but I am sure I would not like to live there.
Hell is not a place; it is an event. Hell is not eternal in duration, only in consequence.
Perhaps there is a third alternative. The place where all the animal souls go.
Isaiah makes it clear animals will be joining us in heaven.
There seems to be a lot written that you have not tapped into. If these questions were genuine, if your search is a sincere one - I kindly suggest
exploring Scripture further. If they were in jest, well I just hope I answered them in keeping with His word.
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