NRA Press Conference Live Stream Beginning at 10:45 EST

Originally posted by SpaDe_
I agree 100% that schools need much better security than what they currently have. Sounds like they already have the best people available to approach congress to get something started on this.

It shouldnt be rocket science.

Nuts with razors busted into the cockpit and killed pilots so they put up a heavy door.

Nut breaks through glass front door of school. Put up a heavy door.

Offices all over the world have secure entry ways and a heavy door to keep unauthorized people out.

Seems a simple and cheap enough solution.

I can just see the uproar now. We dont mind our kids being groped and x-rayd but putting in a heavy iron vault door is just too prison like!!

Finally someone is suggesting that we adopt an "Israeli-esque" approach to protecting the children.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Finally we are adopting an "Israeli-esque" approach to protecting the children.

It's worked for 40+ years.

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It could be just in time also if real terrorists (not just mentally ill) start targeting schools.

Lol someone just got caught on the open mic calling the president of the NRA a "dick" for not acknowledging their question.

Wow people not happy they wouldn't take questions, bet they don't realize there is still an open mic in the room.

Brilliant speech... We can ship free F-16's to a hostile Egypt but we can't place a well trained armed officer in every school in this nation. Time to put the pressure on Congress where it belongs.

We can pay for Personal Protection 24 hours a day for high profile political figures, then we can certainly take every measure possible to protect our children.

to the NRA

Firstly. Im am not going to pretend that I know what the pont of this press conference is about. but I have a few observations.

1) Anyone who thinks those protestors during this press conference aren't fakes, and not choreographed, probably believed the Benghazi celebration videos. If the protestors were random, why were they given so much screen time and so much audio time after they were removed? #enoughsaid.

2) How many guns that were blocked off Obama's original new gun ban are now back on the agenda?

3) How much attention is this taking off the fiscal cliff?

4) I live in Australia, and I have been told (tonight) from a defence force gunner that the ADF are preparing for drawdown and that all units are expecting to either find new jobs, or for a new "shooting" abroad to facilitate a redeployment. Could the USA be planning to deploy troops to schools? (Ok this isn't likely, but after watching the press conference, "retired" troops in schools seem more likely than retired police officers.)

5) Something that Americans probably aren't aware of... When kids in the USA are killed, we hear about it for weeks. When kids in Iraq or Siria are killed, we see it for weeks. (A distinction with a very big difference) When kids in Africa are killed, no one knows. #SadFact.

Transcript Here

The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.

And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. How have our nation’s priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.

How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame — from a national media machine that rewards them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while provoking others to try to make their mark?

So why is the idea of a gun good when it’s used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it’s used to protect our children in their schools?

They’re our kids. They’re our responsibility. And it’s not just our duty to protect them — it’s our right to protect them.

Sounds like a completely different NRA than the one that threw us under the bus in the 90's.

I agree 100% that we need armed guards/faculty in our schools. I DISAGREE that the part about violent video games is a significant role in these shootings. Millions of people play violent video games, and know the difference between right and wrong and don't go out in society and act out their video game desires on the public.

That's also the same as millions of people owning guns who don't take those guns and act out their anger on the public.

Video games aren't the problem, people owning guns isn't the problem.

I thought he did a fine job, not sure why others don't agree. He said what needed to be said and took the media to task too which I thought was refreshing for a change. I say great job NRA!

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I get that a lot of people play video games so that bit stands out to them but reading the transcript it was a passing mention and an inclusion of all violent media.

Not to mention he didnt make some outrageous claim to regulate or ban any of it. Just mentioned that it is a heavily consumed factor. One of many.

I hope their not trying to sneak TSA in where they are not wanted.

Using TSA and security in the same sentence should be banned, just like violence should be.

Speaking on my own behalf.

well there was 2 armed law enforcement officers on campus at the columbine massacre but it never helped.

what's next armed security at cinemas, museums and restaurants ? how about an armed person on every street corner asking for "papers please"? police state coming soon.

its clear the NRA is a propaganda tool of the gun manufacturers. That's where they get most of their money. 75% of their members are in favour of tighter gun controls but they never mentioned that once.

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I have to admit that my first thought on the protesters was that it was staged also (doesnt mean that it was or maybe they "knew it was coming but allowed it to happen" to appear to be victims themselves).

Re The NRA's suggestion of having armed guards at the schools...that is exactly what I suggested on one of the Sandy Hook threads a week ago ("the banks all have armed security guards and aren't our children more valuable?"). Since the NRA is funding the study group to pursue the school security agenda (a good cause - not just promoting gun ownership per se) I bet that their memberships go up as we go into year end.

an armed security guard in every school in the USA would cost roughly 6.5 billion a year. Who's paying? hopefully a special tax on guns & ammo. Or maybe the right wing have come over all socialistic. Public money for guns is fine but not for health care. Amazing

Originally posted by yeti101
well there was 2 armed law enforcement officers on campus at the columbine massacre but it never helped.

what's next armed security at cinemas, museums and restaurants ? how about an armed person on every street corner asking for "papers please"? police state coming soon.

its clear the NRA is a propaganda tool of the gun manufacturers. That's where they get most of their money. 75% of their members are in favour of tighter gun controls but they never mentioned that once.

edit on 21-12-2012 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)

Actually, only one was armed. A deputy sheriff assigned to the school

Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy Neil Gardner soon would complete his second year as the uniformed community resource officer assigned to Columbine High School. Gardner, a 15-year veteran of the Sheriff’s Office, normally ate his lunch with the students in the cafeteria during first lunch period. His car would have been parked in his “normal spot” in front of the cafeteria doors - between the junior and senior parking lots.

On April 20, however, Deputy Gardner and campus supervisor Andy Marton, an unarmed school security officer employed by the school district, were eating lunch in Gardner’s patrol car. They were monitoring students in the “Smokers’ Pit,” a spot just to the northwest of campus in Clement Park where the students congregated to smoke cigarettes.

Gardner had just finished his lunch when he received a call over the school’s radio from a custodian. “Neil,” called the custodian in a panicked voice, “I need you in the back lot!”

Numerous patrol units and emergency vehicles already were responding to the school as the Sheriff’s dispatch center reported “female down” and “possible shots fired at Columbine High School.” There was so much traffic on the police radio that Gardner could not tell dispatch he was on scene.

As Gardner stepped out of his patrol car, Eric Harris turned his attention from shooting into the west doors of the high school to the student parking lot and to the deputy. Gardner, particularly visible in the bright yellow shirt of the community resource officer uniform, was the target of Harris’ bullets. Harris fired about 10 shots from his rifle at Gardner before his gun jammed. Although Gardner’s patrol car was not hit by bullets, two vehicles that he was parked behind were hit by Harris’ gunfire. Investigators later found two bullet holes in each of the cars.
Officer Exchanges Gunfire

Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. “Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me.”

It was 11:26 a.m. Only five minutes had passed since Jefferson County Sheriff’s dispatch center had announced a bomb explosion and subsequent fire on South Wadsworth Boulevard.

www.cnn.com...


These two killers had also constructed nearly 100 improvised bombs as well and used them prior to entering the school with guns blazing...

We've learned a lot since that dark day. Time to move forward... If We can deploy armed Air Marshalls on Domestic flights we can deploy armed police officers in our schools. Armed security at big league sporting events... Banks, Power facilities, Water Treatment plants, Federal buildings, court houses, etc etc etc

Just look at the resources that are deployed within the area of Federal Law Enforcement. All of them are armed.

en.wikipedia.org...

Any room in there to protect our Children from lunatics who will harm anyone just because they can...

Originally posted by yeti101
an armed security guard in every school in the USA would cost roughly 6.5 billion a year. Who's paying? hopefully a special tax on guns & ammo. Or maybe the right wing have come over all socialistic. Public money for guns is fine but not for health care. Amazing

edit on 21-12-2012 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)

Where are you getting your number from??

Let's cut the Obamaphone program for starters. That should cover a good chunk of change. Nearly $2billion right from the start....

In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.

A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers. Several websites have been created to promote “free” government cell phones, including the”The Obama Cell Phone” website at Obamaphone.net.

washingtonexaminer.com...

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I am not for or against this plan. Nor am I for or against gun ownership. But the I just get thoughts of kids growing up being used to the protection and control of armed forces seems like a way to get them to go placidly when told that being locked up under guard is for their own safety.

(Think concentration camps)

And what happens when one of the guards shoots one of the kids?

And what happens wen someone tries to test the guards, and we now have a situation where a live firefight has broken out at a school?

Just because the armed guards are there, doesn't mean that people wont still try.

Also, slightly off topic, but on the same day in Japan someone attacked kids in a school with a knife. This is something that has happened before in Japan. Should the solution be to place Samurai guards at every school?

Is a like-for-like solution really what is needed here.

A knee-jerk reaction to put armed guards in every school is something that is easy to do. But not quite as easy to undo.