Just because something is a tradition or part of culture doesnt make it right.
How many of you think female circumcision is correct?
How many of you think honour killings are justified?
How many of you think training bears to dance by putting them on hot plates that burn their feet is right?
Does this happen in America? I thought we were talking Guns and America here? Let's try to stay on topic.
All these things are traditions or part of different cultures yet all are in most sensible peoples minds just sick. Just because something is part of your culture does not make it right. It could be argued that with the frequency of these shooting sprees that this is now part of your culture!!!
That is a pretty lame argument.
5) If guns are banned then only criminals will have guns
Every country has criminals with guns, it has been suggested if you really want a gun you can get one. This is true for criminals with resources to buy them and access to people who deal in them. I doubt very much that the majority of people who have committed these recent shootings fit into this category.
It is very easy to get a gun anywhere in the world. And criminals do have the resources to buy them, how else would they get them? If they don't, they just steal them. Your 'doubts' don't constitute FACTS.
Most criminals have weapons to either protect their drug stash or turf, actually using them they know is not good for business. By far the majority of gun deaths are either crimes of passion or the work of mentally ill people, not drug dealers or bank robbers.
You're absolutely positively wrong. By and large most gun deaths in America are Suicides followed by Homicides and then Accidents. The amount of people who die in any sort of firearms related incidents are dwarfed many times over by things like Doctors negligence, Motor vehicle accidents, influenza, cancer, stroke & alcoholism. Funny how we don't see a push to ban Doctors, booze and the like. (source gunowners.org... Article 7.)
Also taking guns off the market takes away the ability of criminals to easily get guns.
Not a chance. Where there is a will there is a way. It is as easy as heading down to your crack corner with a wad of cash. We need to get tougher on criminals not good people.
This was posted in the other thread, somehow the person who posted felt this supported the argument for guns being legal
• 71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
• 64% had been convicted of a crime.
• Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.117,118
• 63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know their assailant (twice as often as victims without criminal histories).
119 Most gun violence is between criminals. This should be the public policy focus.
So most gun crimes not committed against good law abiding citizens therefore using gun crime statistics as a reason for wanting a gun for safety is bunk.
Im sure it makes you FEEL safer but its not the reality
The first stat says nothing about "gun crimes" it is obviously highlighting the fact that Gunshot victims who were most likely perpetrating a crime when they were shot had been arrested previously. Says nothing about gun crimes. The 64% had actual convictions and they averaged 11 arrests! See a common theme here, these bad guys are repeat offenders and have no regard for the law. The "system" obviously hasn't reformed them, maybe the 9mm did. Permanently.
As for 'most' gun violence being between criminals: GOOD. I would much rather have two crooks shooting and killing each other than a crook and a good guy. The reality is: criminals are scared of the armed public and are less likely to commit a crime if they think there is a likelihood of being shot while trying to commit the crime. The fact remains that there are many incidents where the bad guys come after good people. And guns save their lives. Criminals avoid armed citizens. After all, they don't want to be hurt on the job.
Here's one example:
"Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole." (source Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988))
Here's another great stat for you:
"Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day.(20) This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives."
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