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With that same reasoning you illigitimize your own Quran, a book that came 600 years after the fact, not based on any teachings of Christ's own Apostles.
The truth is many muslims claim to "love" Jesus and "believe" in him, but they put a man, one Muhammad above the King himself.
You just cannot let go of your fabricated religion to see the truth, and your book of lies is what confuses you.
So, have you ever asked yourself, "who are the Pharisees"?
What do you make of these verses?
There are almost two billion Christians, Scorpie. You need some basis to distinguish between fringe Christian views and things that most Chrisitans believe.
Then if that's the case, perhaps you would give an example of "many" Christians "supporting" people who call Mary a whore.
As to false prophet, my understanding is that many Jews believe that Jesus was a fine Second-temple Jew,
No, you showed me a verse where the speaker says that God is not a man who speaks falsely. The speaker goes on to suggest that God doesn't experience regret (over what he promises to do, presumably).
I think that difference between us on this point is discussable, since a goal of this thread is to urge Christians to embrace Muslims and reject Jews, based on the other two religions' (or their adherents') different attitudes towards Jesus.
Paul's talking about the seven gifts of the Spirit and which one he thinks he is gifted with. This has nothing to do with whether or not he ever questioned him being filled with the Holy Spirit.
If Peter didn't think Paul was authentic, he wouldn't have traveled with Paul to preach the gospel and stand up for Paul in front of all the other disciples.
Your reason for rejecting Mohammad is because you falsely perceive him as a nasty man...
The second best thing we can do is to assess Christian literature on the subject.
If you didn't know or refuse to believe Jews hold a very negative view of Jesus and that many Christians are vocal about their support for Israel... a country full of Jews who hold negative views of Jesus then I cant help you.
No, I reject him because what he proposes is that I believe stories which I find incredible. Granted, many people who make such proposals, like L. Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith, are often unattractive in other ways, too. Mohammed would not be an exception to that.
It's probably fully the best a living person can actually do. But trawling websites, especially websites chosen for focusing on a peripheral concern of Christianity at large, is not a sound or scholarly way to proceed.
Then we are in agreement that your views about Jews are unhelpful.
The truth is, the reason Paul's writing were made part of the Bible is because they did not contradict the teachings of Jesus at all, regardless of how much people don't like what he had to say.
Originally posted by godlover25
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Islam is very confused,
If Islam is correct, than Judaism and Christianity are both false religions, and Islam is based on the revelations of Judaism and Christianity and relies on them being true,
Islam is a self negating religion,
If Islam's roots are false, then Islam must bear false fruit,
If Islams roots are true, than Islam is incorrect in its doctrines,
So what's going on here?
Have the Muslims been duped?
If websites and literature are insufficient, then nothing stops you from doing your own scholarly research?
My stance is that Christians tend to discount / deny Islam's honoring of Jesus as messiah.
I don't get it. The Jews are theologically opposed to Jesus.
No, typical religious Jews are opposed to Gentile theologies based on the proposition that Jesus is the Jews' Messiah, a position held by both Islam and Christianity. Jews wouldn't have any reason, based on their own religion, to pick a fight with Jesus himself, more so than with many other Jewish teachers. It is a religion of debates, after all. Disagreement, or only partial agreement, isn't such a big deal in Judaism. The losing view is often transmitted along with the winning one in rabbinical discourses. This, too, is something I admire.
so the jews tried to kill him just because they dint like the way he debated?
If they deny it, then they err. They do discount it, because being a man who is God is better than being a man who is not God. That sounds like a defensible position to me. I understand that you would disagree, probably because it is possible to be a man, but impossible, in your view, to be both God and a man. As we've discussed, Christians don't share your opinion about that.
And of course Christians think that Islam is a false religion. Islam teaches different things than Christianity teaches. You can't both be right. Surprise, surprise, you both think that it's the other guy who has it wrong.
typical religious Jews are opposed to Gentile theologies based on the proposition that Jesus is the Jews' Messiah, a position held by both Islam and Christianity. Jews wouldn't have any reason, based on their own religion, to pick a fight with Jesus himself, more so than with many other Jewish teachers.
When Jesus' birth was announced, ... we see that the idea of God-man (or fully man / fully God) is only extracted by compositing various verses.
However, if Christians condemn Muslims as evil or misguided... Instead, they love and support the Jews and special plead for them saying they will someday accept Jesus.
Have you ever heard of a people (other than Christians) who adore those opposing the central figure of their religion?