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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The "gospel according to" somebody is not the perfect Gospel of Jesus. It would have truth mixed with falsehoods.
V. God the Son, Redeemer of the world,
V. Jesus, Son of the living God,
Jesus, splendor of the Father,
Jesus, brightness of eternal light.
Jesus, King of glory.
Jesus, sun of justice.
Jesus, Son of the Virgin Mary.
Jesus, most amiable.
Jesus, most admirable.
Jesus, the mighty God.
Jesus, Father of the world to come.
Jesus, angel of great counsel.
Jesus, most powerful.
Jesus, most patient.
Jesus, most obedient.
Jesus, meek and humble of heart.
Jesus, lover of chastity.
Jesus, lover of us.
Jesus, God of peace.
Jesus, author of life.
Jesus, example of virtues.
Jesus, zealous lover of souls.
Jesus, our God.
Jesus, our refuge.
Jesus, father of the poor.
Jesus, treasure of the faithful.
Jesus, good Shepherd.
Jesus, true light.
Jesus, eternal wisdom.
Jesus, infinite goodness.
Jesus, our way and our life.
Jesus, joy of Angels.
Jesus, King of the Patriarchs.
Jesus, Master of the Apostles.
Jesus, teacher of the Evangelists.
Jesus, strength of Martyrs.
Jesus, light of Confessors.
Jesus, purity of Virgins.
Jesus, crown of Saints
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The truth is, Christians claim to "love" Jesus.... but in reality they love their doctrines. The same way the self-righteous Pharisees loved their "laws" and interpretations of it.
Which is why you find so many Christians... in their blind hatred of a religion that teaches Jesus is the messiah.... ]
Originally posted by babloyi
Now if the so-called Christians ACTUALLY followed what Christ said (turn the other cheek, give up their money and traditions and and go in the path of God, praying, fasting, healing and generally helping their fellow man with more than just words etc.), the world as we know it now would fall to pieces, and it would be beautiful.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Islam relies on the revelations that Mohammad received.
Originally posted by logical7
your asumption is based on that either judaism is true or christianity is true, both cant be true but both can have some wrongs and islam corrects those wrongs.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
But Paul indeed contradicts Jesus in so many ways. In fact, Paul contradicts the Old Testament prophets and God Himself.
Originally posted by logical7
why dont you research your own religion
after removing any preformed ideas of Jesus pbuh as god
If you get stuck that because muslims are bad
So you judge the hearts of 2 billion Christians. How presumptuous of you. :
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
A real Christian wouldn't hold a low view of the prophet Moses... who is respected by Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
You have made up your own religion to suit yourself.
1 - Muhammad says God talked to him and told him things about Jesus, and not to worry that the 'revelations' contradict the first hand accounts of people who actually knew him.
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other
things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Originally posted by logical7
when i read John it requires a lot of faith to accept that someone is not inserting verses and that there are more than one writer, one of whom is trying to pull the understanding of the reader into a set standard thinking pattern.
all in order for himself to gain power and money? Muhammad did NOTHING to back up his false claims of having had divine revelations. The peasants just bought into it .. or they were forced into it at the point of a sword. So which makes more sense??? Back atchya.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by logical7
when i read John it requires a lot of faith to accept that someone is not inserting verses and that there are more than one writer, one of whom is trying to pull the understanding of the reader into a set standard thinking pattern.
... and yet you'll buy into the Quran .. written hundreds of years after Christ .. the Quran with it's direct contradictions and it's errors and it's obvious political agenda? Yeah .. okay .... have fun with that. (like I said .. not 'logical')
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by logical7
The gospel stories of Jesus are written by his apostles and the disciples of the apostles. They are stories that came directly from his mother Mary (see the conception stories of Jesus in Luke and the information about what was on Mary's mind all that time). These are first hand accounts written at the time of Christ.
The Muslim stories were made up HUNDREDS of years later. No first hand accounts. No primary sources. All contradicting the gospels. It was all just some guy (muhammad) telling a bunch of peasants that God gave him the stories .. and the people bought into it.
The gospels which were written by people who were directly involved with Christ or the apostles have a MUCH better chance of actually being true than something written hundreds of years later by some dude on a self power quest (muhammad).
Originally posted by logical7
Qur'an isnt Bible, neither biography of Jesus pbuh, you are confusing it to these,
get above the idea set in your mind that each holy book should talk just about your idea or its not worthy.
You are just looking for validitation of your belief either by rationalising and ignoring errors in bible or by putting down other beliefs and books.
I want to ask you, honestly what do you want? To learn and know about other religions with respect towards them or the opposite?
Originally posted by logical7
You are saying God cant send revelations?
What i am pointing is you rely completely on a already made theology to form your belief that contradicts a 'logical' approach and yet you value testimonies but refuse reasoning.
Originally posted by Deetermined
If Paul didn't have the Holy Spirit, he would not have been able to perform miracles.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Yeah ... dhimmitude to Islam would be just 'beautiful'. Show me in Islam where these muslims are 'generally helping their fellow man' and 'turning the other cheek'. Go ahead .. I triple dog dare ya'. Debunk the facts here
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Christians hate that Islam is misogynistic and violent. They hate that Islam forces conversion at the point of a sword and dhimmitude.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Titles of Jesus STRAIGHT FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCE -
Christ, Lord; Logos; Son of God; Son of Man; Light of the World; Lamb of God; I Am ...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Your assumption is that Islam is true and muhammad actually received revelations from God that totally contradicted the original first hand writings about Jesus.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
the 'revelations' contradict the first hand accounts of people who actually knew him.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The gospel stories of Jesus are written by his apostles and the disciples of the apostles. They are stories that came directly from his mother Mary (see the conception stories of Jesus in Luke and the information about what was on Mary's mind all that time). These are first hand accounts written at the time of Christ.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
It is MUCH more likely that the bible is accurate than the Qu'ran.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I have NEVER ignored the errors in the bible. I've often spoke of them. This thread isn't about bible errors or contradictions .. so if you wish to discuss them .
He had anything and everything he wanted. The peasants bought into his 'divine revelations'. They murdered at his command. They gave him their wives. They gave him everything even though Muhammad never did a single thing to prove that he actually was in communication with God. No common sense on the part of the peasants ...
How about you admit that the Quran Jesus stories, which were written hundreds of years after Jesus, are MUCH less likely to be true than what was written in the gospels by those who actually knew Jesus?