posted on Dec, 7 2012 @ 12:02 AM
Originally posted by interupt42
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by smithjustinb
So its not an absolute truth (fact) that , If you where born you will die?
An absolute truth, sometimes called a universal truth, is an unalterable and permanent fact.
Yet, you consider existence an absolute? Where were you before you existed and do you exist for infinity or do you consider you existence to
eventually end? Maybe you can clear it up for me on why existence is the only absolute?
edit on 6-12-2012 by interupt42 because: (no reason given)
Existence is the only experiential thing that precedes subjective definitions. It is definitions and only definitions that are capable of a falsehood.
Therefore, if you don't define, you cannot lie and your reality cannot be false. And when you are not defining, what are you? Nothing in particular,
but you definitely exist. When you start to attach a label to that and say, "I am_______", that blank spot will be the subjective part of your
sentence. The "I am" part is absolute.
edit on 6-12-2012 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)
So your trying to make the point that I think therefore I am?
I think, therefore I am, but I am not what I think I am. I am not what you think I am. I am not what the scared kitty cat that I want to pet but
can't thinks I am. I just am because I am. However, my definitions of what I and you are will make me see with that lens. And definitions, I believe,
are inescapable, so perhaps they should be utilized, but nevertheless, my version of the truth will remain subjective, and therefore false. We are all
living a lie, but aren't we supposed to? Life in a body can't live any other way. So what do we do? Sure we can, "just watch", but we will never
see anything except what humans were made to see. Or will we?
I once considered a scenario where the human mind would begin to take others perspectives into consideration to such a great extent that we experience
the world through the eyes of all. I saw this as compassion, and the next step in human consciousness. We would know what it's like to be a lion or a
spider. In fact, I had a dream last night that I was being chased by two lions who later I found out were really humans. Anyway... If this scenario
actually played out, we would be ready for contact with beings from other planets who might be extremely different than us. Then, we would be on a
virtually endless journey of getting to know what the universe was really capable of in terms of subjective configurations of others. All in all, this
would greatly increase our understanding of what exactly life was.
But would we not arrive at the same conclusion? Life is what we say it is and other than that, it just is? Or is that a primitive explanation? Maybe
there is an absolute definition but we are far to primitive to get it right or even come close? That would at least explain why we try to define the
world in the first place.
When people have near death experiences, they go to a place where there is a light that feels overwhelmingly loving, yet is indescribable. Maybe
that's it. In either case, words cannot define the absolute. The absolute can only be experienced.