Why Do People Hate the Jews? A Look at Anti-Semitism

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Of course Racism and Bogotry bother me; as it should ever open minded person on the planet

It is not the scrutiny; but good deflection; it is the admitted, or not-admitted, hate that is rampant here

Of course we just use "terms" to cover our hatred and no one will know...

The Jacob Esau argument doesnt hold water

King Herod was from the heritage of Esau,as were lots of jews at the time of the NT. Chunakah is the celebration of a time when the Edomites became jews. Jacob was father of all 12 tribes, judah being just one. Many ME peoples trace their heritage to the other tribes, like Pashtuns of Afghanistan trace their lines to the tribe of Benjamin

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anyways, on to business

In Europe, the hatred has a foundation in'blood libel.' Its the accusation they killed children for ingredients in ritual meals

In the Mideast, it has a foundation in the violent confrontations between early muslims and jews

Most recently, zionist ambitions in palestine have fueled the old hatred. Ironically, early zionists fueled this flame as its about the only thing thats kept jews moving to Israel & kept the dying religion from completely fading into the other nations

They killed Jesus!?

I dont think Jesus was the savior.
the name should have been Emmanuel.

TPTB dont like them!
because they have their own plan and will not join them!

Reply to post by darkangel831

This thread isn't racist though.

The OP is asking a very valid question, as to investigate what is and has driven thousands of years of hate. We cannot ascertain what all these variables are if you chase them away by crying "racist"!

We know they're racist. It's ok. There are billions of racists on the planet. Hell, to not be bothered by it you would have to fly to the Moon or drop dead.

I'm just saying we should not turn this thread into something it wasn't meant to be. That this issue is indeed ok to explore since the world we live in has been shaped by some very significant events concerning the Jews and said persecution of them.


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Yeah...

Let's just disregard everything done to the Jews for quite literally thousands of years.

Is Israel never wrong? No. ...and you'll never hear me say otherwise. But to understand the mindset of the Jews of Israel, or at least the older generations...you must have a reading of what, as a group, they've been through over the centuries.

Pogroms of mass murder, or if they were lucky, forced relocation. Their crimes? Merely existing. Oh, the reasons given were as myriad as the pogroms themselves...

ChristKillers. Evil Moneychangers. Don't look like us. Don't worship like us. Don't live with us... ...on and on goes the litany of hatred of the different.

They have been subjected to this for longer than many countries have existed.

This is the mindset of the Israeli govt...

Never again. Never. Anyone who thinks otherwise is going to get a rude shock. Assuming for the moment, they survive it...

Do they over react? Hell yes they do. But not in their eyes. Until the rest of the world gets this, and starts to relate to them in this fashion, they'll continue to do what they think they need to do to survive in a world that has a bad habit of trying to destroy them in wholesale lots...

...and I can't say as I blame 'em much.

I have heard the "They killed Jesus" many times too, but I have found that this excuse is given to sound morally justified in hating someone. If you think about it, if these people were so Christian as they claim, they should be happy as a result of that. Jesus could not have been the lamb without his crucifixion and thus his death should be embraced. There is no ressurection or ascention without it, so I'm not buyin it. Besides, I have never seen anyone who uses this excuse to hate Jews, at church on Sunday. They're not Jesus loving people nearly as much as they are Jew hating people.


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Originally posted by arthurfonzarelli

during yhe 2nd ww it was the zionists that brainwashed the jews into boycotting germany because hitler wanted to jail the zionist bankers for fiscally enslaving germany.

sort of like what they are doong to your america now.

when the jews fell for the propaganda and boycotted in turn the germans boyvotted them and clearly labeled their shops so non jews woupd know who to boycott

it got to tje ppint where germanywanted all jews out because of this whoch was the zionists master plan all along
the creation pf that abhorrant #hole called israel

In regard to this comment, and others mentioning Usury, which a few have mentioned - I came across this article awhile ago and found it quite interesting as it explains a side of the war most aren't aware of, and explains why so many German's went along with it, at least in the beginning.

"Hitler's Freedom from International Debt Slavery" www.poketheeye.org...

The article begins with this preface, so it does not get into antisemitism or right or wrong, just a look at it from another angle.

It is always difficult to have a discussion on the topic of WW II Germany, and Hitler, without having emotions run high. And understandably so. We do not believe that there is a world plot in place by those of the Jewish faith to dominate the world. We do however suspect that there is a plot in place by the major financiers and financial institutions, to control. We don’t necessarily agree with all the points made in the article you are about to read, but it certainly does raise some interesting points. We offer this article to our readers as an alternative viewpoint, intended to stimulate discussion. PTE

The first few paragraphs for those who don't want to read the whole article:

When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany. Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.
Nothing like this had ever happened before – the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power.
At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.
The projected cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. To pay for this, the German government (not the international bankers) issued bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates. In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work, and paid them with Treasury Certificates. Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, “For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.” The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people. In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.

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Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture. Germany flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits. (Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for commodities, plus medical help, and so on. Hence the bankers are trying to squeeze Venezuela.)

...This economic freedom made Hitler extremely popular with the German people. Germany was rescued from English economic theory, which says that all currency must be borrowed against the gold owned by a private and secretive banking cartel — such as the Federal Reserve, or the Central Bank of Europe — rather than issued by the government for the benefit of the people. Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) says the main reason why the bankers arranged for a world war against Germany was that Hitler sidestepped the bankers by creating his own money, thereby freeing the German people. Worse, this freedom and prosperity threatened to spread to other nations. Hitler had to be stopped!

It's quite interesting to me, especially in light of what we are seeing today with the financial melt down, and wonder what would happen to any country who tried to separate itself from it by creating their own currency, which they are certainly allowed to do...

(Well, actually... Gaddafi anyone?! Had plans to create the "Gold Dinar" which would be a new currency for Africa, and the beginning of the end of the petro-dollar...though it is speculation that this was the cause for his ousting.)

now when you say Jews, do you wean:

A) people whose faith aligns with Judaism

or

B) people born of Khazarian/Sumarian lineage?

in my humble opinion, Zionism is wrong pure and simple.

when you are having your kids write messages on munitions that are being fired into palestine on other children, well i think we have a problem.

And here is the transcript of a speech from a Jewish man, Benjamin Freedman, on Zionism in 1961:

"A Jewish Defector Warns America: Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism"
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Introductory Note -- Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century.

Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S. ---

Note:

These are two articles I've found that deal just with facts, not antisemitism, on why some people find/have found Jewish or Zionist policies and actions, throughout history, to be objectionable.

This does not mean one hates Jews for merely being Jewish (though some undoubtedly do), but rather find their actions or policies offensive. It should be noted that lot of Jews have a problem with these actions and policies as well, and probably feel resentment at being judged by/lumped in with them.

Just because a person finds Mitt Romney, for example, by his speech and actions, to be not to their liking, does not mean one hates all Mormons or hates all white people, or all rich people.

People don't hate Jews for nothing or for just being Jews.

A lot of people tend to think that Jews are just some discriminated against people where 6 million of their people died in WW2.The Jews are actually a people who have always gotten into positions of power of a nation and turned that nation into a hellhole and they are doing it now with the west.The Jews aren't innocent and are sometimes very cruel ( like a lot of us).

The Jews however do have an agenda and they've had it for a long time.If you are of the darker races then the Jews want you in slavery.If you are white then they want to to cease to exist.This is an admitted agenda might i add which would explain why mass immigration is only happening in white nations under the guise of ''they come here for a better life''.

Remember that the Jews have never looked at us Gentiles has humans but instead animals who are to serve them.

Oh and those who call themselves Jews actually aren't Jews because most are nothing more than 11th century converts called the Khazars.Who the real Jews are is anyones guess.

Originally posted by SpaDe_
You cannot as a people go around declaring everything that isn't within you cultures tight scope of beliefs anti-semitism.

Also why are Jewish people so sensitive about everything? It seems like every time you say anything that is even remotely derogatory against a Jewish person even if it has nothing to do with them being Jewish you are immediately being anti semitic.

This same exact remark could be applied to any supposed minority these days. Everything is racist, everyone is anti-semitic, everyone is intolerant of this, that or the other thing.

The fact of the matter, in my own opinion, is that people have absolutely no idea how to "live and let live". The victim mentality has been fostered and fed for decades (especially in the U.S.), and from where I stand, it looks poised to destroy society completely.

It is an extremely sad commentary on both the world we live in and Us as those who occupy it.

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos

The victim mentality has been fostered and fed for decades (especially in the U.S.), and from where I stand, it looks poised to destroy society completely.

Yes, and not by accident either. Divide and conquer, one of the oldest tricks in the book.

I am one Iranian an I talk for my own point of view.

Why middle eastern people hate Zionists ?

Because they invade and kill with no logic.

They want to take over Nile till Euphrates.

They want others to be their sheep.

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Pogroms of mass murder, or if they were lucky, forced relocation. Their crimes? Merely existing.

Their crimes ?

Taking usury.

Enslaving other people

Bringing division and destruction.

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Why Do People Hate the Jews?

Talmud?

Zionism?

Delusions of superiority; the belief that all 'gentiles/goyim' (non-Jews) are subject to them.


Consider why they've been expelled from 109 places in just 1800 years -- pretty much every country/kingdom they flocked to in the current era but the US.



Not to mention all the "pogroms."

Is it really everyone else's fault for this? I don't think any other group of people has been this harassed throughout the ages, and it's because of that constant superiority complex and conniving attempts to usurp/undermine nations throughout history.

But I sympathize for those that don't follow that nonsense and yet still suffer due to the rotten eggs.

reply to post by mideast


I believe any culture that has managed to exist and expand has done the exact same things. Jews are no worse than Muslims, Christians, Europeans, take your pick.

reply to post by GeneralMishka


what you mean ' the jacob esau argument dont hold water '

How would yóu defile your enemy [ in public opinion ] then ?
isnt that by ' posing like him - and commit crimes under his name ' ?

Now tell me: whó s tactic is that, nowadays ? hm ?

reply to post by mideast


So all of them are guilty of these supposed crimes? All of 'em? Uh-huh, right.

My Jewish neighbor downstairs is guilty of usury? Really? She invaded countries, and enslaved people? Or her parents did in 1930's Germany? I rather doubt it, or she and her family would have been able to get out of the way of what came soon after... Most of her family couldn't.

Spare me the "they had it coming" attitude.

Most Jews are nothing even resembling what the hatred would have us believe. They want to work in peace. Raise their children in peace. ...even *gasp* live in peace with their neighbors.

Throughout history they've had that shoved right back in their faces. To their regret, assuming of course, they survived that shoving...many didn't.

Does this excuse some of the behaviour of the Israeli's? No, not really. But it does go a very long ways towards explaining it, assuming you care enough to look...

reply to post by ProfessorChaos


People with no moral border think that other people have no moral border ,too.

+ I was talking about Zionists , not Jews.

+ I know Jews are not all the same , Muslims and Christians follow the same rule.