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Originally posted by infowarrior9970
Originally posted by Cosmic911
you cannot deny crimes committed against Jewish people. I'm pretty sure 6.5 million Jews didn't put themselves in ovens and cook themselves. Do you still think these people weren't hated, or is it just me? Talk about pathetic.
yes crimes were committed against Jewish people AND other cultures all over the world as well.
for example: approximately 50 million Native Indians that were slaughtered for the land in North America.
thats just 1 example. Just wondering if you ever think about the other cultures that have suffered on this planet too? or do we all just have to focus on jewish suffering?
I find that to be very odd.
Originally posted by pexx421
Seems the person doing the misdirection here is you. I have read every post on this thread and i have seen nothing of this "hate" you speak of. Almost everyone on here that has made examples of jewish wrongdoing have pointed out that its not the general jewish populace, its mostly their policies that people object to. I have seen no one calling the jews names, likening them to animals, or making derogative personal attacks against them. Most have been pointing out patterns the Jewish people have practiced that are discriminatory and destructive, and this is not "hate" speech, its an attempt at objective review of history. I suppose that according to you, anyone who criticizes any cultures actions at any point in history "hates" those people. Please stop equating objective discussion of a nation or peoples policies with irrational emotional attachments, as this derails the conversation, and ends the opportunity to learn.
ANY group calling themselves Master Race (or 'chosen people' which is the same thing) will cause feelings of hatred or contempt by the rest of humanity (99.999%) - although modern Jews are no longer are 'Judaeans' but are of mixed races /proselytes.
the Torah espouses racial genocide of entire villages if ONE person is found trying to worship other clan gods than YHWH the post exilic clan god of the Judaeans.
Originally posted by pexx421
"Not surprising considering the ignorance and hate in this thread...the norm on ATS"
Um....does the above ring any bells? My further writing was descriptions of hate speech which were conspicuously absent from the thread, demonstrating the fact that i fail to see the ignorance and "hate" that you spoke of. Interesting that you poke at my ignorance and inability to deal with reality, when ignoring the reality of the past is what i said many people are guilty of, and like you, have little ability to remember something from as far back as 3 or 4 posts, and thereby unable to rationally interact in the present. My point of the above post was that people quickly decry "hate" when jews are criticized, in order to derail the conversation with personal attacks or aspersions to the persons character, when, in fact, no hate has been displayed, only rational discussions of history that may have been hidden for a specific agenda. Please show me an example of people on this forum expressing hatred towards jews, and no, legitimate criticism does not constitute hate. If you can do that, we can carry on the debate, if not, please keep your inflammatory, disparaging, and juvenile derailment tactics for your conversations with other teenagers.edit on 5-12-2012 by pexx421 because: extrapolation of the point
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by mideast
+ I know some of them are doing wrong things in the name of Jews.
And that goes for everyone else on the planet too.
I am sure there are Palestinians that do wrong things in the name of Palestinians.
and Christians that do wrong thing in the name of Christianity.
yada yada
and this Zionist thingy, is there any other group of people with a label?
And how do you tell a Zionist Jew from an ordinary Jew?
Like,
Do you ask a Jew, hey, are you a Zionist?
edit on 073131p://bTuesday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by darkangel831
I just love the way bigotry is couched in politically correct terms
Face it
If you hate any one group of people, for the alleged actions of a few, you are a BIGOT.. Or Racist .. Take your pick
You all make such outlandish claims this is serouly one of the most hilarious threads if it was not so sick
Originally posted by pexx421
Okay, so let me sum up this thread for everyone. One side argues the facts, citing multiple instances where a certain population group has gone to multiple different countries and used manipulation and bribery to support themselves and destabilize the freedoms and economies of multiple other nations, sometimes inciting revolutions against the native regimes, attempting to overthrow their legitimate governments, to the costs of the livelihoods and lives of the local and native populations, and perhaps this is why this group is mistrusted or criticized. On the other hand we have a group arguing that other people do bad things too, and that anyone pointing out factual evidence of patterns of wrongdoing by specific populations (or perhaps only those pointing out factual evidence of wrongdoing by jews) are obviously just bigots and full of hate. This group uses no historical or evidential basis for its accusations, and mostly resorts to name calling and attacks. As debates are weighed, I have a pretty good idea which side gets the trophy.