Why Do People Hate the Jews? A Look at Anti-Semitism

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posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Your mistake is looking for a rational reason Jews have been hated. Plenty of races have been and still are hated. Hell, I am hated by some white women for marrying a white man when I'm only partly white. Most people hate for purely emotional reasons. There is nothing rational about it, so don't bother looking for it. I just shrug my shoulders when I see it and know who I shouldn't be associating with.
edit on 4-12-2012 by antonia because: added a thought




posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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It surprises me that when describing jewish actions in the past as reasons the jews are disliked, that no one brings up the Bolshevik revolution in russia as an example. In a country where a minority group (the jews made up 5% of the population), the jews were grossly over represented in government positions. The Bolshevik revolution, the majority of the leaders of which were jewish, was their wresting of power and control from the imperial house, beginning with their assassination of the last Romanov emperor. Afterwards, anti-semitism became a capitol offense, and the Cheka, their version of the secret service, that was installed shortly after the revolution, was composed 90% of jews. I have noticed other authors on here have posted good and valid examples of these patterns in other lands, where the jewish aristocracy will move into a foreign country, manipulate currency and laws until they are over represented, and then instigate policies that benefit their people to the exclusion of the native populations. I have seen no valid arguments contradicting the fact that this is, indeed, a valid reason for people to feel a grievance.

To point out, i am a human, and respect all people, but while i dont like to judge or criticize individuals, i will judge and criticize the actions of governments. Im not anti-semitic (or anti jewish), but i have no problem clearly criticizing the wrong actions of israel and zionismt. Im american, and also criticize the wrong actions of my own government quite fervently, and just as this does not make me racist against americans, criticizing the israeli zionist regime does not make me racist against jewish people.



posted on Dec, 4 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by ProfessorChaos

Originally posted by SubTruth
Just to make it clear I have defend the Jews on many occasions on ATS. BUT...........
When you add all this up it leads to one thing HATE. If they would change they would not be hated.


By that logic, if I made myself into something that someone who hated me would prefer, I would no longer be hated. That's ridiculous.




If everyone hated you would you blame them or look inward? At some point the Jews will have to look inward if they want to break the cycle. They are the ones to blame it is the cold hard truth.



I know a few Jews and guess what they are very very inclusive people. They are racist to the point of craziness. And then they cry for tolerance for themselves all the while never showing the same tolerance back.



That is why Israel is so messed up they want to be inclusive and only use other countries and people for this reason. The Muslims are the flip side to the same coin that is why we will never see peace until one side kills off the other.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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fear of mongrelization of Europe



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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Honestly I dont know how to respond with out humor, growing up I was taught to have alot of respect for Jews because of their historical stuggles of slavory and exile....and I like to believe that is the same kind of respect that drove America to help Isreal get back their believed home land, the Bible states that the Jews were nomads and they traveled quite a bit and I imagine that like all drifters its only natural that they learned how to hustle to survive and then got really good at it, and so much so that where ever they ended up sparked up envy and jealousy of the wealth they acummilated, but at the same time it was seen as the Jews hoarding the wealth for them selves, so naturally others wanted a peice of that pie and decided to take it in a bad way, so when it got bad America steped in and helped the Eourpean Jews take back Isreal and kick out the people that were living there while the Jews were gone, causing this resentment amongst the peeps that belive they had rights to that land because heck they raised like 3 generations on that land........crazy stuff man I have no idea how we could sovle this problem personally America should of just offered the Jews to stay in America like every one else... but then again I think that was probably because Jews were not really liked in this country at that time either.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 12:58 AM
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Intersting view, on one side you post "why do people hate the jews?", and on the other side you perplex us with how ignorant you are with the facts? So what is it?


Did you answer your own question? Or are you striving for an answer that you have already come to?
not sure, just observing your post is all?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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Misleading video title. Pluralizing the word 'Jew' implies that all of them openly admit to it. This is just one person though. I've seen this video before. How do we know that it isn't edited in such a way to be taken out of context? Things like this have to be taken with a grain of salt, as there are just as many biased propaganda videos as there are legit ones. Any fool with a basic movie editor can make a video and put it on YouTube now.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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I am making an open observation, so yea an obvious un educated guess,never really thought about why people dislike jews, since my granfather is Jewish and changed his last name to join the war its all pretty F%$# up, so yea im a little confused... and since your so educated enlighten me



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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lol...good one but it does'nt solve the problem and I dont need to be angry about stuff I cant control.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by GREENFOX74
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I am making an open observation, so yea an obvious un educated guess,never really thought about why people dislike jews, since my granfather is Jewish and changed his last name to join the war its all pretty F%$# up, so yea im a little confused... and since your so educated enlighten me

No enlightenment per se, just observing your huge contradictrory is all. The arguement is as easy as "google" Just gliding by ATS and noticed a post that had a couple of Red herrings per se, and wondering if you were genuine with your question. As this day and age its pretty easy to get all coalitions point of view in about 5 minutes, regardless of your past race



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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I dont think jealousy is an accurate portrayal. People dont generally resent other people who are wealthy, just because they are wealthy. Its when they use that wealth to form monopolies, or buy legislation that people become resentful. I think the reason many jews are resented is the same reason our politicians are resented. Because they came to power through unethical means, and then use that power to enforce a system that maintains their own power, and also keeps other people from achieving the same thing. Jealousy implies that people are upset because one group has more and they dont, and also implies a personality type who doesnt want to work to earn what other people have worked to earn. Its a disparaging descriptive, and i think inaccurate. The jewish lobby AIPAC has disproportionate power in the US, and it uses this power to coerce the government to do things in support of Israel, that are detrimental to the interests of other americans. Our media and our foreign policy have been subverted to serve special interests, and this is not "fair". Its not what our forefathers fought for, and its not something the majority of americans believe in.
To say that jewish people get ahead because they are smarter, and savvy enough to charge others interest is disengenuous. Other religions had prohibitions against interest because it is immoral. Now we have big banks, run often by jewish bankers, that are charging people 30% interest, which mobsters used to go to prison for. Making profit from others misfortune is unethical, and yet when those banks gamboled with the worlds savings, and then payed for legislation (through bribes) to get bailed out, this is exactly what they did. The argument that this is "good business" is superfluous, as it could also be considered good business to go around to your neighbors with a gun and start a protection racket, but it is still unethical. It fosters resentment, justifiably.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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No doubt special interest are involved here... And I do think say that Isreal was created to give these special interest leverage to take what is most coveted, and it's why we are at war today......they tell the Jews we will give you this if you do this.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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They pretend to assimilate then destroy from within, over and over. This was well accepted truth before political correctness decided truth is hate speech. Many people here are well saturated with this poison that prevents thinking.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Am I free to practice sacrifice and enslavement of others because it's my belief that everyone else is beneath me? Where do you draw the line on one's freedom to practice their beliefs? I say it's when one's beliefs begin to encroach on everyone else's lives.


And how does that apply in the context of the list of expulsions that you listed?


Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Christians not named Luther didn't generally consider Jews heathens or heretics, especially during the Inquisition.


That is why I specifically stated that Christians were accused of and tried as heretics, I made no claim that Jews were. To be classed as a heretic a person has to have been baptised, therefore, only Converso Jews, who had been baptised as Christians and had accepted the sacrament were persecuted under an Inquisition.


Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
What they were concerned with and still somewhat are today are "wicked" gnostics and pantheists that left their "orthodox" thinking behind, like me.


There were thousands of Inquisitions, seperate and free standing, dealing with all manner of deviations from Orthodoxy. Many of the later and major Inquisitions were not even implemented by the Church but were orchestrated by the State, as it was not so much the deviation from orthodoxy that was the issue, but the deviation from the societal norm.

And never having been, nor intending to be, baptised, or otherwise indoctrinated into a belief system, I have no concerns about heresy, unlike you.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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The only way to gain vast amounts of wealth is through unethical means. No wealthy person is 100% honest. It's called survival of the fittest.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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What I see is we are stuck in a loop, like groundhog day

A vicious cycle, and we are continuing to fight centuries old battles, as long as we continue to point fingers and do not see this drama for what it really is this will never end.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Another thing.

Why do some feel the need to ,

expose the jooooooos?

good grief.

What are you solving, will this accomplish world peace or will it lead to more hatred?

This old battle, are you a part of the problem?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Ok, stormdancer, how about this. This is not about blame, its a philosophical discussion concerning the facts of history, as far as we can try to discern them. The old "lets look forward rather than backward" is a horrifying american mentality, which explains quite succinctly why they have almost no education in or understanding of history. This is a mentality put into place by the winners of history, in order to hide the crimes they perpetrated in that winning, and to keep the majority populace in the dark about their current motivations and methods. Without studying history you wont understand history. Without understanding history, you wont understand the present. Without understanding the present, you have no ability to create the future, you are merely subject to others creation.
TPTP dont want americans in school to learn about history, or about why socialism was created, or about the civil rights era. They dont want them to learn the truth about america's founding, and the wars we have waged. Because without all this info, present americans have no clue what is happening today, and therefore take no stand. Understanding history is vital, and that is what WE are all here at ats to do, share and understand the parts of our world and past, that do not get much airtime in other venues. I have learned a lot in my years here, and it is due to having these discussions, not from "looking forward instead of Back". Sometimes they are debates, sometimes they are sharing of wisdom or philosophy. Sometimes they are just joking around. I will continue to do so, and i hope so does everyone else here. Sorry, sidelined....much as you were trying to sidetrack the blog with "Why are we all badmouthing joooooos".... or whatever.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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I agree that we will never see a peaceful coexistence between the two (Muslim and Jew), but to imply that you should change who you are so that others find you more palatable is still ridiculous.

Your point about looking inward when you see how others hate you, how about looking inward when you realize you hate someone else? Maybe the problem isn't all on their side.

The examples people have given for indicting the Jews can be applied to every and I mean EVERY other culture that has existed on the planet.

To imply that the Jews are the cause of all of these problems throughout history (i'm not saying you said that. The current flow of the posting on this topic seem to be.) is irresponsible and ignorant.

Have the Jews been the only culture that have been enslaved? No. Have they been the only culture to have been persecuted? No. Are they the only culture to take advantage of another culture? No. Are they the only minority that is over-represented in their government? No. Have the Jews been the only culture to experience genocide? No. Have they been the only culture to commit genocide? No. See a pattern here?

Jews are no different than any other culture throughout history in any way, be it a positive way, or a negative one.

As George Herbert wrote in 1651: 'Whose house is of glass, must not throw stones at another.'

Every culture has the same faults of all of the others.

This post is not directed only at you (other than where it directly responds to your post), but towards this entire conversation.
edit on 12/5/2012 by ProfessorChaos because: typo



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Hi Cookie--

ANY group calling themselves Master Race (or 'chosen people' which is the same thing) will cause feelings of hatred or contempt by the rest of humanity (99.999%) - although modern Jews are no longer are 'Judaeans' but are of mixed races /proselytes.

You DID know that the sons of Isra'el (bene Yisro'el) are extinct didn't you? Wait a minute, you think they're HOLY?

The absolute 'core' of Rabinnic Judaeism, i.e. the Torah espouses racial genocide of entire villages if ONE person is found trying to worship other clan gods than YHWH the post exilic clan god of the Judaeans.

Below are some specific passages within the Torah 'of the Jews' which specifically espouse racial genocide (most use the Heb.Term CH-R-M = to ‘mark for extermination’ in the context of a Holy War where a specific group is targeted for extinction) of the Canaanite amphyctionies & specifically about ‘divine commands’ to exterminate the Amalekites - especially ‘marked for extermination’ almost as if they were wearing orange stars
e.g. Exodus 17: 8-16

And YHWH said to Mosheh, Write this down as a Memorial on a Scroll & read it into the ears of Joshua son of Nun : Behold, I will Exterminate the Seed (lit. ‘Remembrance’) of the Amalekites from Under Heaven - therefore Mosheh built an Altar to YHWH there etc.

Deuteronomy 7: 1-5 (i.e. Torah)

When YHWH your clan god brings you to the land where you are headed to take possession of it, and has cast out the goyim before you even the Hittites, and the Girgachites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, even seven gentile nations that are more numerous and powerful that you are now:

And when YHWH your clan god has delivered them, you shall utterly exterminate them all showing no mercy to them; neither will you make peace treaties with them nor enter into marriage with them – for they will turn your sons from following me, and cause them to worship other clan gods – thus will the anger of YHWH burn against you and destroy you without notice.

Deuteronomy 13: 12-17a (Torah)

12 If you should hear a rumour in one of the towns which YHWH your clan god will give you to live in, saying ‘I heard certain evil men taking some of the town out encouraging them to worship other foreign clan gods which you have not yet heard of, you shall set up an Inquiry and if the acusation is proved true that such a ritual Toqebah (‘cultic abomination’) has in fact taken place, you will utterly genocide all the inhabitants of that town, utterly destroying the town and its inhabitants, even down to the animals – then you will gather together all of their belongings and utterly burn the lot in the town square – and not take any of it for yourself, and leave it a perpetual Ruin, never again to be rebuilt.

Deuteronomy 20: 10-18

This is the Rule of War for the Towns of the Goyim which YHWH your clan god shall give unto you and your sons as an Inheritance – You shall leave nothing alive that breathes, but you shall utterly exterminate every one of them, namely Hittites, & Amorites,Canaanites, Perizzites,Hivites & Jebusites; exactly as YHWH your clan god has commanded you, so that they will not be able to teach you all of their peculiar ritual Toq’eboth (‘taboos’, ‘cultic abominations’) that they perform for their own clan gods, leading you into sin against YHWH your clan god.

Deuteronomy 25:17-19

Now remember what Amalekites (lit. ‘Amalek’) did to you when you were sojourning out of the land of Mitzrayim : how they came upon you on the road and attacked your rear guard, including the weakest ones in your camps, and how they showed no reverence for the Elohim (‘gods’) – so it shall come to pass that when the land you shall be given by your clan god YHWH is finally settled and becomes your Inheritance to possess, you shall utterly genocide the Seed of Amalek (lit. ‘Remembrance’) from under the heavens – you will never ever forget this.

Outside the Torah, we have references to ‘the fulfillment of the Divine Commands to genocide’ the goyim in books like Joshua and 1 Samuel, in the context of the (CH-R-M) Holy War ‘devoted’ marking of a particular group for racial and cultural Extermination and Genocide of the other’: -

This is the same ‘racial’ segregation of The Other that we saw last century in the Nazi death camps the religious underpinnings of the racial genocide were not emphasised to the public (e.g. the Thule Society Tenets of Aryan Supremacy and how to deal with 'slave races' etc.)

See : Joshua 8:1-2, 8:23

Joshua 10: 31-33 (ref the extermination of Lachish)
Joshua 10:34-35 (ref the genocide of Eglon)
Joshua 10:36-37 (ref the wiping out of the Hebronites)
Joshua 10: 38-39 (ref the annhialation of Debir)

And this is only the TIP of the iceburg - pretty nasty hatred of all 'non Jews' -it gets worse in the Talmud !






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