The bible is 2000 year old psychic sandpeople garbage nonsense.

The title of this thread annoys me alone. "Sandpeople?" Is that a veiled racist comment? And why do some feel the need to show that they oppose belief in spirituality a lot on here? I don't get that. If you do not believe, that's fine. But why feel the need to plaster it all over a forum board? Just doesn't make sense to me.

reply to post by chr0naut


You mind responding to my post regarding the destruction of Tyre? Or are you going to ignore it because I found a prophecy that isn't "100 percent correct"?

reply to post by MarkJS


I never said I heard Satan's voice. If you choose to abstain from something, you have to know exactly what it is that you refuse to partake in. I've done my research on religion, and that includes Satanism. But it makes little sense to worship Satan, or, in the case of Spiritual Satanism, think that the roles of God and Satan are somehow reversed, if I don't even believe in the scripture.

As I said, I'm not nor have I ever been associated with Satanism or Spiritual Satanism. Doing research does not make me some evil devil worshiper... and that's not even to say that all Satanists are devil worshipers either. See this is the problem I have with very religious people. You either see things their way, or you're some evil person that will burn in hell. For all the talk about love and peace, these people aren't very opened minded... probably why people used to be burned at the stake.

I see the issue on the Bible as such: The Bible is a book the Christians believe in, but many of them do not really know the Bible at all especially the militant groups as they see the words like it is printed. Words were drilled into children without knowing what really happened and the secrets of these words are lost and the Bible is seen as a tool for the powerful to use against the masses.

When you stand back from the Bible you have to realise a few factors:
1. The book was originally written by "esoteric man" meaning those that believed in life, creation and the magic of all life
2. That it is a book filled with symbology
3. That through time as the greed of man grew and its power lust to control took over and his connection with the Divine separated the "esoteric man" was replaced by a autocratic man who rewrote the Bible in his image as a book for the Ruling class to opress the poor
4. That the Book has become a doctrine to put fear into people
5. That the Book we have now is just a distant memory of the original intended message

Just a thought: I wonder if God of the Bible will come now to earth with who he will be the angriest? Thost that are on the Pagan paths who believe in the spiritual Divine, or those that distorted the original intent of the BIble?

REPLY TO SPEARMINT
" Because science can't be wrong. If it's wrong it's not science" That is rediculous and does not make any sense.
"science" at one time deemed the world was flat, balancing the four humors, the earth revolved around the sun.....science is created by people. Do you think people are infallible? A true man of science would not rule out the possibility of a higher being, and in fact rule it as a likely possibility. Do you readily accept the big bang theory? This is without observation and experimentation, yet it is still considered science. Climate change? Same thing.

It is ok if you are intollerent of religion, just say so. You dont like religion, cool, just dont try and justify it by claiming to be someone of science, or some scientific authority, I assure you, you are not. Nor are you more intelligent than someone who believes in religion. Stop using science to try and justify your irrational hatred for those who exhibit faith, thats not what it is for and sounds ignorant.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
The title of this thread annoys me alone. "Sandpeople?" Is that a veiled racist comment? And why do some feel the need to show that they oppose belief in spirituality a lot on here? I don't get that. If you do not believe, that's fine. But why feel the need to plaster it all over a forum board? Just doesn't make sense to me.

Because they are very lonely troll atheists, attention whores, and given that they are doing this on a religious forum of all things, it shows they are militant atheists at that. They are the kind of people that would foam at the mouth in seeing Christians being fed to the lions and killed in a number of other creative and brutal ways like the cockroaches of the old Roman empire did, and I say Christians, because its mainly Christians that these clowns have a problem with. This thread alone shows there is a ton of anti-christian sentiment in the world, and its getting to the point where its becoming blasphemous to even say you are one, and I'm not surprised, as we live in the modern whore of Babylon. It is claimed that Christianity is the majority specifically in America, but you will find out that its the exact opposite as time goes along, and I for one, am glad I'm American if for no other reason than our right to arm ourselves to the teeth.

reply to post by BlackManINC


If you wear a flag, a badge, a label, you have separated yourself out from the whole.
Whether the flag says 'Christianity' or 'American' makes no difference - you are putting yourself up for attack.
Wear no label, carry no flag and just be.

Originally posted by pyramid head
REPLY TO SPEARMINT
" Because science can't be wrong. If it's wrong it's not science" That is rediculous and does not make any sense.
"science" at one time deemed the world was flat, balancing the four humors, the earth revolved around the sun.....science is created by people. Do you think people are infallible? A true man of science would not rule out the possibility of a higher being, and in fact rule it as a likely possibility. Do you readily accept the big bang theory? This is without observation and experimentation, yet it is still considered science. Climate change? Same thing.

It is ok if you are intollerent of religion, just say so. You dont like religion, cool, just dont try and justify it by claiming to be someone of science, or some scientific authority, I assure you, you are not. Nor are you more intelligent than someone who believes in religion. Stop using science to try and justify your irrational hatred for those who exhibit faith, thats not what it is for and sounds ignorant.

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Yes his comment about "science's can't be wrong" does not make sense,
but this isn't science nor religion, it is historical fact that when science found evidence of earth not being flat who tried to block that position and even killed scholars for trying to open the world's eyes?
Religion...
"Cecco d'Ascoli was burnt alive by the church in 1327 for daring to suggest that men may live on the other side of the world."
Four humors once again proven wrong by modern medicine
Do you not agree with science that the earth revolves around the sun?
because that is true, its obvious that you did not do a quick spell check (although ATS does it for you but you just decide to leave your bad grammar up) or you might have notice that statement of yours.
To your statement about "using science to try and justify your irrational hatred for those who exhibit faith, thats not what it is for" well actually you might be surprised. The very invention of science itself was in the face of religious opposition. Studying the world was considered a waste of time, or at worst forbidden sorcery. A succession of Popes issued orders forbidding the study of nature, and even supporting the killing of those who did.Theologians like Aquinas championed a useless mix of armchair philosophy and scripture-quoting theology, while the experimental method, the only actual source of knowledge, was forbidden for centuries. The theologian Bonaventure had the heroic pioneer of the modern world Roger Bacon forbidden from teaching in 1257. Bacon, worth a thousand disposable medieval pseudo-scholars like Bonaventure or Aquinas, was imprisoned for 14 years. So it seems like religion, before our modern times, used faith to justify it's irrational hatred for people who practiced science. Is that what religion was made for? Does that not sound ignorant?
By the way your statements about the big bang and climate change made me laugh.
The big bang is still a theory but there is observable evidence to suggest it is a fact, the galaxies moving apart from each other, just hit reverse and the only conclusion is that at sometime all matter had to be in one point of space. Climate change is fact actually, since 1880 people have been monitoring global temperatures and guess what it has been rising ever since then, much faster in the past 50 years. We have been monitoring the polar sea ice for a long time now and they have been setting record lows after record lows. 1970 we started monitoring sea ice through satellite tracking, back then at its lowest point (summer) 50% of the arctic would be covered in sea ice, 2007 its lowest was 29% and this year its lowest 24%. The fact that you would even compared climate change with the big bang was hysterical. Again thank you for the laugh. Next time you post check your facts and maybe your spelling because it makes you look ignorant, or in your words "rediculous".

Originally posted by BlackManINC

Originally posted by Rubicant13
The title of this thread annoys me alone. "Sandpeople?" Is that a veiled racist comment? And why do some feel the need to show that they oppose belief in spirituality a lot on here? I don't get that. If you do not believe, that's fine. But why feel the need to plaster it all over a forum board? Just doesn't make sense to me.

Because they are very lonely troll atheists, attention whores, and given that they are doing this on a religious forum of all things, it shows they are militant atheists at that. They are the kind of people that would foam at the mouth in seeing Christians being fed to the lions and killed in a number of other creative and brutal ways like the cockroaches of the old Roman empire did, and I say Christians, because its mainly Christians that these clowns have a problem with. This thread alone shows there is a ton of anti-christian sentiment in the world, and its getting to the point where its becoming blasphemous to even say you are one, and I'm not surprised, as we live in the modern whore of Babylon. It is claimed that Christianity is the majority specifically in America, but you will find out that its the exact opposite as time goes along, and I for one, am glad I'm American if for no other reason than our right to arm ourselves to the teeth.

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Again another post made me laugh tonight
"They are the kind of people that would foam at the mouth in seeing Christians being fed to the lions and killed in a number of other creative and brutal ways"

Do you mean like how you guys do?
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mobs. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]


go ahead arm up, you will only be living up to your history.

reply to post by jazztrance


Time to switch to decaf!

reply to post by Sinfulknowledge


First of all: cites needed.

Secondly, please find an example more recent than 1500 years old. Western religions have evolved. The worst you are going to get from them today is a strongly worded letter to the editor and a disinvitation to the fall pot-luck dinner.

reply to post by jazztrance


Just because you don't understand something(and you clearly don't) doesn't mean you can speak from a position of authority and knowledge on the subject.
All I see you speaking from is a position of slight ignorance while simultaneously complaining about the negative things that "Christians" have done.
Until you want to actually discuss "religion" in a fair, balanced way, there is no discussion to be had.

Regardless of who wrote the stories in the Bible. Man compiled it. Man decided what went in, what was left out.
Actually the Catholic Church compiled it. So, being an atheist. I have often wondered if these stories in the bible which are so fantastic and suspend reality as we know it. I wonder if the stories left out are as outlandish or are more reality based.

I would say any stories that shown a bad light on their cause was left to the editing room floor. Forever to be un-told. Reality is as such, somebody is wrong. There's either a God or No God. I just want to be around when we find out the truth. My money is on NO GOD. I have seen nothing in my life nor imperical evidence that say's God is real. Where's those biblical miracles in this day and time? And the op is correct in saying, what happens to one if God talks to you. Want to watch folks talk and interpret Gods word? Just cut your tv on on Sunday, there's several to choose from. All with a different message. But all have same message as well, please send in your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And we'lll send you a nice prayer place mat. Or book mark made of that Holy cloth rayon. Sarcasm Intended.












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reply to post by jazztrance

Probably the Christ's Magical Aeon ended, I the new one is starting?

reply to post by NavyDoc


articles.cnn.com...:US
Rajeev Srinivasan writes in the Daily News and Analysis: "There are many historical examples of Christian religious terrorism, going back to the liquidation of the Albigensians and other heretics around 345 CE, the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition... all the way to assassinations by radical anti-abortionists in the US. The National Liberation Front of Tripura is an explicitly Christian terrorist group, forcibly converting people. The National Socialist Council of Nagaland has unleashed terrorism in its pursuit of 'Nagalim for Christ'."
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.religiondispatches.org...

"If you were to commit a heinous crime, child rape for instance, it would make sense that you would face public outrage. People would be upset with you, and rightly so. Many people, upon learning of your crime, would have violent urges. They would imagine how badly they'd like to beat you, and some with poor judgment or low impulse control might even threaten your safety. Nobody would be surprised by such reactions.

Now let's look at a very different situation. In this one, you commit no crime at all. Instead, you complain about someone else violating the law. Specifically, you become aware of a violation of separation of church and state, and you file a complaint. That's it. But once again, you face public outrage. People are every bit as upset with you as what we described in the first case. Many experience the same sort of violent urges, and you receive death threats. You are fired, stalked, and repeatedly threatened. And you know what? Once again, nobody is surprised. Nobody.

This is precisely the situation in which many atheists in conservative parts of the U.S. find themselves. If you don't believe me, you aren't as informed about the aftermath of church-state complaints as you should be.

Texas Professor Fired, Threatened After Successful Church-State Complaint

Consider a recent case out of Texas. Sissy Bradford, an adjunct professor of criminology at Texas A&M University - San Antonio, was fired, threatened, and stalked after Americans United for Separation of Church and State took legal action prompted by her complaint and won. The subject of Bradford's 2011 complaint was a taxpayer-funded tower featuring four Christian crosses built at the campus entrance. Americans United had the crosses removed, and Bradford's ordeal began.

According to Americans United, Bradford was then "subjected to months of vicious backlash from cross defenders." She even sought police protection but says her requests were ignored. In a statement to police, Bradford said:

I am being stalked & harassed & threatened by student(s) & community members because I am not a Christian. There exists a clear & prolonged pattern of unwanted communication, contact, threats, & invasion of privacy.

After the police refused to act, some Bradford's students began escorting her to her car and speaking out in her defense. And then they started receiving threats for their efforts.

The university dismissed her without explanation earlier this month. Granted, this is not terribly unusual for an adjunct professor. They do not receive the same consideration as full-time employees, but it sounds fishy given the timing and Bradford's expectation that she would be teaching in the Fall. My guess is that they decided she was simply too much trouble and that they would look bad if anything happened to her.

Christian Terrorism

Are any of us really surprised by what happened to Bradford? Again and again, we have seen what brave individuals must endure simply for standing up to violations of church-state separation. Damon Fowler, Jessica Ahlquist, Sissy Bradford, and many others remind us exactly why more of us need to speak out.

And what of the threats that inevitably come from some Christians whenever one of these complaints is successful? What are we to make of them? This, dear reader, is Christian terrorism. The Christians who make these threats are waging a campaign of terror to instill fear and keep us silent. Try as I might to avoid it, I feel that this conclusion is inescapable."



murders of physicians who perform surgery to terminate pregnancies, that's Christians for you.

should i go on?

reply to post by EnochWasRight


People have been crunching those numbers for years and have come up with different things they apply to.From 1975 6000 years man has been on earth.1914 for armegeddon to your 1948 for Israel.So people work these numbers to apply to what they want and hope for.Israel's favour with god ended in 70AD.The bible only applies to people back then.Prophecies were probably fulfilled after the fact.Hey look I did this or this applies to me or just said it applies to them.There are modern examples of this of people doing the same thing and saying they have fulfilled a prophecy.I bet it was more rampant back then.

It seems the biggest argument against the Bible is the claim that it's corrupted by man. Ancient Hebrew is a difficult language at best, not much like modern English. For a word for word translation, the likely best Bible is the Zondervan translation.
Never the less, those who translated and believed what they were doing to be true and accurate to the best of their ability, had one Great task, and the possibility of erring and facing the wrath of God as the Last verses of Revelation expressly declares. This is in no way meant to be believed by the OP as he clearly declares his belief in its deceit, rather it is included to give an insight as to what the Authors of the Bible faced had they translated incorrectly, added or subtracted from the Words contained in the original text scriptures.
Now would someone who fully believes the scripture risk their Eternal Soul by embellishment? I think they feared doing so, it only stands to reason, they would receive the punishment warned of in the last verse.
No, only someone who did not believe would translate according to their own agenda and perverting the scriptures to whatever end.

But here's what kept the translators truthful in their quest.
REVELATIONS 22:18-19 "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:
If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part from the Book of Life,
from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



You wanted Hebrew to English, It would be the Zondervan translation [ sorry I was unable to load the desired link] but a quick search will provide the applicable information. Although difficult to understand Hebrew, let alone Ancient Hebrew, it is much more difficult to understand in English and especially by non-English speaking peoples worldwide.. But I only dispute the claim here that you can't trust the Bible, it's futile because so many people have translated it....... to that I say rubbish, the original text still exists to translate from, making that argument invalid.

Greetings: There is so much to consider regarding faith in ideals and what people require to maintain those ideals. We are currently having conscious awareness within a realm of limitation. Therefore, belief systems are all over the map. If all we see are tree trunks, we are then unaware that there is an endless forest. Thus, to ask a person if they believe in god is a rather loaded question. Most have the corporate, or official story explaining what god is. This concept of god basically works because most people have no other perspective to consider.
Rather than write out an entire dissertation regarding my perspective of what god is here, if you are interested; here is a link to my website where I have written out what I see based on what the over-soul, or higher self claims; www.focusonrecovery.net...

reply to post by Sinfulknowledge


With poor quoting, it is hard to determine where your opinion begins and the opinion of the opinion piece writer ends however, to counter, I don't think anyone says that there were not horrible things done by Christians in the past, however, considering the horrible things done by athiests like Pol Pot and Mao, I don't think it reasonable to condemn athiesm as a whole due to past bad actors.

I find it illogical that you condemn millions of peaceful American Christians based on the actions of a few radicals. Are all athiests terrorists because of the actions of Harris & Kleibold, Ted Kazinski, Baader-Meinhoff Gang, Society of Militant Godlessness

Fanatics on both sides of the isle.

Originally posted by shelookslikeone

For the record, I am not a Satanist. I choose not to follow any man made religion. I believe in whatever created this universe as God.

I see what you wrote... Good stuff in that you are not a Satanist.

reply to post by MarkJS

 

I never said I heard Satan's voice. If you choose to abstain from something, you have to know exactly what it is that you refuse to partake in. I've done my research on religion, and that includes Satanism.

Good.... thanks for the clarification.

But it makes little sense to worship Satan...

Again... that's a good sign.

... or, in the case of Spiritual Satanism, think that the roles of God and Satan are somehow reversed, if I don't even believe in the scripture.

This is where you loose me. Satan and God are reversed? That's classical satanist thinking.... Even if you don't acknowledge it.... This is where I got the impression that you do worship Satan... But hey, if you want to back away from it/Satan...that's your right as well. Maybe, in the end, you really don't know who is God, or who to worship.... God or Satan?

But no matter.... What I posted about reconciling with God still applies... if you're interested. It's not a religious/dogma/rules trip. It's all about knowing and being close to God...who is Love.. who would love you perfectly...as He is Perfect... But that's your choice. All it takes is an honest, open-hearted prayer or two to God (the God of the universe... no cheap subsititute or substitute will do).