Thank you liberals!

currently I pay the following tax and deductions. 21% federal, 7.65% to medicare and SS, 6% to the state, 2.2% to the city, 1.45% to the sixth class city I work in. That come to 38.3%. Then I have sales tax of 6%, property tax on my house and cars, and an intangible tax I must pay on bank account, 401k, and stocks. A guess it that is about 3.5% of my income. So that brings me to 41.8%. I do not make a lot of money and I think working for the government 42% of my day is excessive. I think instead of taking more money the government needs to learn how to spend less, waste less. My wife just started a new job that is taking care of Federal Employee's healthcare plan. It was amazing to her that on Vetrans day not a single phone call came into the office from Federal Employee's. Instead they wait until they are on the clock on our dime before they call to take care of personal health care business. It would seem that they are getting this as a benefit so why do they have to milk the tax payer even more by calling about health care on our dime. It is a little selfish and flat out wrong. That is just one example. I think the $1 million a month that Congress and the Senate spends on bottled water is crazy. Does you employer supply your with bottled water at work?

Originally posted by RobinB022

Originally posted by theMediator
Well OP, I understand your pain from your point of view but seriously, you are making like 5 times what I make a year and I really doubt that you are working 5 times as hard or are 5 times starter or have 5 times my education or even deserve 5 times my salary.

So from my point of view, I can't share your pain on paying 4%~ more in taxes.

The economy is bad and going down, you should be happy to still have a job and a good one too.

Not to mention that it was the gov't. who paid for his education..

That’s where your wrong.. I paid into the GI Bill throughout my time in the service in order to be able to use it. Once it was used for school, I ended up paying in way more than was required to completed school… So it acted as little more than a very expensive savings account. No tax payer bread collected there.

Originally posted by michael1983l
OP I do feel sorry for you I really do, but it is the responsibility of the rich to take some of the burden of this recession. Your national deficit is in the Trillions and as you can understand that is unsustainable, your country needs to cut spending and increase tax revenue to even have a chance of breaking even. Being realativly well off means that you are much better prepared to help reduce this burden than most, which is why you are experiencing a tax hike. You qualms with the poor and needy of society are a little selfish to say the least, its no picnic being poor and they should be protected. The poor have nothing to give but I bet the majority of those poor are genuinely poor out of circumstance rather than fault and to blame them is pretty low in my humble opinion.

P.S. Tax rates approaching 50% are quite normal in Europe.

edit on 18-11-2012 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)

Since when is 200k rich?? What friggin planet do you live on?

Originally posted by Propulsion
I feel your pain.

There are the free loaders who know how to take advantage of the system.

Absolutely correct! Thank you for your post. Most liberals refuse to acknowledge that career welfare recipients exist. I think mostly because they fall either into this category or are too far removed to witness it first hand and therefore refuse to believe it.

reply to post by JBpage76


The very low percentage of people that game the system deserves you making a thread yet the billions and billions of corporate bailouts (welfare) is too much of a hassle? Picking on the low hanging fruit, I see. The mark of a bully...and an idiot.

Originally posted by JBpage76
I just wanted to say thank you to the other 50% of Americans who support and re-elected our most Nobel and Honorable Leader, Mr. Barrack Obama. Today I have officially been notified by my employer to expect a 30-38% tax increase this coming year. That brings the total amount of taxes I pay to just at 50% of my monthly income. So, I wanted to express my appreciation to you personally for your liberalism and humanitarian views of spread the wealth.

You have helped elect a fraudulent, socialist thief.. Enjoy your free health care, welfare checks, free cell phones because millions are now having to work twice as hard to keep from loosing their jobs, houses and vehicles to pay for yours!

On a closing note, I have officially removed “Old Glory”, which I have proudly flown my entire life. Call me what you will but I have served, fought and endured the loss friends and family for this country and what she stood for. What have you done? Recently I have seen the last shred of its morals and values cast aside for what? I am ashamed to be grouped in with "those" so called Americans who would allow anyone like this guy to be in office.

So again, thanks for stealing money from my family and giving it to people who are too lazy to earn it!!

edit on 18-11-2012 by JBpage76 because: spelling

This is a flat out lie!!!! The temporary reduction in Employee Social Security and Medicare are due to expire - you fool.

Stop lying!!

Prove this to us:

1 - a copy of the cited correspondence.
2 - copies of paystubs and tax returns.

reply to post by JBpage76


You are SOOOO welcome. I'm glad I could be of service with my vote. Yay socialism.

Who cares if he makes 6 figures. He obviously worked his way to get there. Their is no reason why taxes should increase. The government needs to live within its means instead of taxing more in order to transfer wealth into bailouts for the crony capitalist to run the country. Don't u understand they signed us onto debt that don't belong to us. U have to realize at some point with are taking it from the back and front and they disguise it as helping the poor when it is actually helping the monopoly men that hate competition and want easy money.

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by phroziac

 

On that basis, why is it right that a person can work the same hours on minimum wage and earn 15k while the op works the same hours and gets 100k?

The reason the OP can earn so much is because the company he works for can operate in the US because the right infrastructure is available. Guess what that infrastructure has to be paid for. So taxation at a higher rate is fair because first of all the OP has a far greater disposable income than that of a waiter on minimum wage and secondly the OP's situation has been made possible by the infrastructure in place around him/her.

P.S. Taxation brakets according to income is perfectly normal in most places around the world. And thank your lucky stars you only have to pay 27.5% on a 100k income, in the UK it would be 40%.

That is completely rediculous. Sorry to interrupt but I could not ignore this. The reason he makes more is because he has more to offer than a waiter. ANYONE can be a waiter, not everyone can work in corporate. Also to assume that they work the same hours also shows you've never had a salary job. Waiters do not usually go over 40 hours a week, you would be hard pressed to find an executive who only works 40 hours a week.

Infrastructure has nothing to do with it. The company pays taxes, and therefore pays for the infrastructure. The infrastrucuture is there because the company provides the tax revenue, not the other way around. Is the city adding to the infrastructure? Are they helping increase the company's revenue year after year? Then why an increase?

He owes the waiter nothing, he is valuable and the waiter is not, therefore he is worth more. I made 15 dollars an hour at a job for several years, and never felt I was entitled to someones money. I was paid based on my worth in society and what I could offer someone. I now make a deal more, but I also sacraficed more and risked more. HIS income is not for the waiter, nor anyone else, just what is specified in the constitution.

If you want to steal money from others and give it to the "needy" via elections, then be truely fair about it and take away their right to vote. If you are being allocated taxpayer money why should you then have the right to vote yourself a raise every election cycle at the cost of the providers.

Originally posted by maddog99

Originally posted by michael1983l
OP I do feel sorry for you I really do, but it is the responsibility of the rich to take some of the burden of this recession. Your national deficit is in the Trillions and as you can understand that is unsustainable, your country needs to cut spending and increase tax revenue to even have a chance of breaking even. Being realativly well off means that you are much better prepared to help reduce this burden than most, which is why you are experiencing a tax hike. You qualms with the poor and needy of society are a little selfish to say the least, its no picnic being poor and they should be protected. The poor have nothing to give but I bet the majority of those poor are genuinely poor out of circumstance rather than fault and to blame them is pretty low in my humble opinion.

P.S. Tax rates approaching 50% are quite normal in Europe.

edit on 18-11-2012 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)

Since when is 200k rich?? What friggin planet do you live on?

One that doesn't have kids..... or student loans........ or mortgages....or carpayments

reply to post by pyramid head


Very well stated and thought out, thank you for your contribution!

Instead of being an example of how anyone with the right work ethics and determination can earn a decent income or lifestyle, they choose to stereotype based on income alone and insult anyone who has worked their way up to a successful lifestyle. These are actions of the lazy and weak minded, which is probably why it comes so natural to many liberal extremists.

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by JBpage76

 

The very low percentage of people that game the system deserves you making a thread yet the billions and billions of corporate bailouts (welfare) is too much of a hassle? Picking on the low hanging fruit, I see. The mark of a bully...and an idiot.

Your comments are the mark of an idiot. Clearly you are not getting the point of the original post. Please reread and try again.

Also to assume that they work the same hours also shows you've never had a salary job. Waiters do not usually go over 40 hours a week, you would be hard pressed to find an executive who only works 40 hours a week.

reply to post by pyramid head


I have never had a salary job, but I guess the number of hours worked varies depending on the company. The place I work employs about 200 people, and I would be willing to bet those in management work maybe half the week. We get a daily email that let's everyone know who is out for the day and this list always has salaried people on it. So I have to disagree with you here, maybe it's that way in a larger place, but in my company all I see are people claiming superiority with their position while letting their hourly paid underlings do all that work ( but getting none of the credit ) that makes the company go

Just to clarify, I am not sure what it is that most of the people who have posed personal insults and cheeky replies think it is that I do, but I can assure you its not sitting around in a fancy office discussing golf with colleagues all day. Its probably pretty safe to say that most people who have posted some of these scathing replies wouldn’t have the stomach or ability to do what we do.

I do not have the benefit of only working a forty hour a week schedule. I don’t have the luxury of returning home to my family everyday after a long day at work or being off on birthdays and holidays. My commute to work generally averages about 2500-3500 miles and takes two days to accomplish. My specific job keeps me from my family for up to thirty to forty days at a time and requires that always be on call at a moments notice. That’s just to list a few examples. I don’t do it because its fun, I do it to proved my family with the best possible life I can!

Anyone, besides active duty military, who can say they put up with that hassle for 20k a year I would say is in the wrong career field.

Also to clarify, my beef isn’t with the so called “Poor”. I DO NOT consider my self rich by any means and do not place myself above any man based on race or financial status. My prejudices derive from people who have no moral compass, no since of what work ethics are, and those who are just looking for handouts!

reply to post by JBpage76

That’s where your wrong.. I paid into the GI Bill throughout my time in the service in order to be able to use it. Once it was used for school, I ended up paying in way more than was required to completed school… So it acted as little more than a very expensive savings account. No tax payer bread collected there.

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I'm not against education through the GI Bill, I'm only saying that this is looked at as an entitlement by some, just as SS Dis. is.. and SS is also paid into however, I see folks calling that an entitlement or in some cases even a form of welfare. I don't agree with this logic, simply pointing out how certain forms of utilizing the tax dollars is ridiculed, while others are easily accepted. Tax monies are what it is and that money, regardless of which program one receives from-is the same thing. So, using that logic, nobody who ever had a hand-up in the form of tax monies should ridicule another for the same thing simply because it was a different program,ie;one food stamps and/or another being education, or yet another being SS-or even medical. Because everyone is different and has different needs at different times.

So if some people abuse the system or any part/s of the system, everyone else who ever utilized that form of gov't. assistance is spoken of with disdain. That's over generalization, and people should be more careful and open-minded when commenting on these issues. For there may come a time when they too may need help.

Do you really think that you paid more into the GI Bill than it paid into your education? I suppose that's possible and I accept your word on that, but I assure you that most don't. Of those who did not, did they abuse the system for a free (or almost free) education? Because I know some who only use that system for their education..because they can, it is a perk, and as I said, there are people who view any and all such perks as a form of entitlement & even welfare (tax monies after all). I'm not one of those people.

Long way around trying to articulate that one program can be viewed as the same as another in such that they all take money from the tax dollars, and that anyone who has ever accepted help from one (program) really has no right being critical of someone who accepted from another one-unless that person can't see the hypocrisy in that type of thinking.

It's great that you accepted help from a program that actually advanced you in your education, but as we are all so different, it only makes sense to understand that not all people can take advantage of the same program or way of life that you did. For various reasons to numerous to mention. There are an extraordinarily amount of variables that go into just one persons life/choices/set of circumstances, that to be judgmental of one another without knowing exactly why one took a different path than you or I would just be..... I don't know, ridiculous, or just wrong.
Peace!

Originally posted by mymymy

Also to assume that they work the same hours also shows you've never had a salary job. Waiters do not usually go over 40 hours a week, you would be hard pressed to find an executive who only works 40 hours a week.

reply to post by pyramid head

 

... all I see are people claiming superiority with their position while letting their hourly paid underlings do all that work ( but getting none of the credit ) that makes the company go

While I know you are correct and many jobs or supervisors are like the ones you mention, I assure you that’s not quite the case with us here. I don’t work in the office, but I know my direct supervisor’s job has no set hours, its pretty much constant 24/7. He may be in the office from 9 to 5, but his workday is nowhere close to done when he leaves, as it is with us in the field, minus the 9 to 5 part. Granted that varies and depends of what type of company and what position various “upper management” types have.

reply to post by RobinB022


You are correct and I agree with you 100%. My initial post may not fully illustrate the nature of my frustration.

I do support the welfare system in its design, and similar programs that are designed to help those who “can not” help themselves. It’s the people who can but flat-out refuse to work.

Even on this thread it has been admitted that certain individuals would make less money working than they would on welfare, this to me this mentality is unfathomable and outright lazy. If its due to a handicap or disability, that’s completely different, but it a growing way of life for some people to simply get by on what they are given..

reply to post by JBpage76


Could you show us your pay check stub where you are losing 50% of your weekly earnings. I'd really enjoy seeing it, that and how much money you actually make. Otherwise go blow some smoke up someone else's ass.

reply to post by JBpage76



yeah I am sick of paying for free loaders here in Spain. I was looking forward to coming back home and enjoying my money instead of lazy self absorbed BS artists doing nothing with it so they can contemplate the meaningless essence of their lives.

I guess we will just live until it is too expensive to keep the lights on. Then when society fails and we have free reign to do as we please since we wont be able to afford cops or the military, I will dish out my justice.

Let society fail because you NEED to play Xbox and go to the bar on my wages. See if I care. When it all goes boom, You will be fat, dumb and week......easy pickings......

Originally posted by JBpage76
I just wanted to say thank you to the other 50% of Americans who support and re-elected our most Nobel and Honorable Leader, Mr. Barrack Obama. Today I have officially been notified by my employer to expect a 30-38% tax increase this coming year. That brings the total amount of taxes I pay to just at 50% of my monthly income. So, I wanted to express my appreciation to you personally for your liberalism and humanitarian views of spread the wealth.

You have helped elect a fraudulent, socialist thief.. Enjoy your free health care, welfare checks, free cell phones because millions are now having to work twice as hard to keep from loosing their jobs, houses and vehicles to pay for yours!

On a closing note, I have officially removed “Old Glory”, which I have proudly flown my entire life. Call me what you will but I have served, fought and endured the loss friends and family for this country and what she stood for. What have you done? Recently I have seen the last shred of its morals and values cast aside for what? I am ashamed to be grouped in with "those" so called Americans who would allow anyone like this guy to be in office.

So again, thanks for stealing money from my family and giving it to people who are too lazy to earn it!!

edit on 18-11-2012 by JBpage76 because: spelling

Two things:
1) I doubt the Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, are going to push for a 30-36% tax increase

2) your employer doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

When someone starts making wild, unsubstantiated claims, check into it a little bit. You'll usually find out, very quickly, that they're lying to you. Even if the Bush tax cuts expire, nobody's taxes will go up more than a few percentage points.