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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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So, your opening post claims that you will be paying a 50% tax rate, which you now admit is not true, correct? Your opening post blames Obama for this, but now you are saying that the people scamming the system are who you really blame, right? Sooooo, why are Obama and liberals the villains here?

Do you want to scrap the whole welfare system because some people abuse it? That would be like saying, we shouldn't allow anyone to make over $250,000/yr, because there are rich people who abuse the system (loopholes) to get out of paying taxes, and there are rich people who step on others to get where they are. You could say that all conservatives are to blame for these immoral rich people, but would that be a fair statement? There are immoral people all across the income spectrum. Blaming liberals and Obama for all of it is pretty unfair, don't you think?




posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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This time of year, we are all well aware of how much we pay Uncle Sam in income taxes. And we all can clearly see the sales tax we pay when we go shopping or enjoy a nice dinner out. We're not happy about them. But at least we know that we're paying those taxes.
But most of us have no idea just how many hidden taxes we pay every day that take a serious bite out of our wallets. We pay little known-taxes on everything from travel to peanut butter (Ken's favorite), to life insurance to liquor. Often, we don't know, specifically, what federal tax we are paying on goods and services because that tax (such as excise tax on imports or 'sin' taxes on liquor), is built right into the price, and doesn't appear anywhere on the sales slip as a tax.
And boy, does it add up! We consumers pay hundreds of billions of dollars in "hidden" taxes each year. It's estimated that our federal income tax represents less than half of the taxes we pay each year. So let's expose eight hidden taxes you probably didn't even know you were paying...
1. Gasoline tax. Next time you fork over big bucks at the gas pump, remember that you are paying nearly 46 cents per gallon in federal, state and local taxes. That's nearly 15% of the cost of a gallon of gas!
2. Gas guzzler tax. If you are driving an SUV or other large vehicle, you have a tax double whammy. Not only are you paying that big gasoline tax, but you also got socked with a special tax dealers are charged – and pass right along to you on the sticker price – for gas guzzlers. This tax can be as much as $7,700!
3. Hidden taxes on travel. Airfare, hotels, your rental car -- you are paying a hefty tax on each one of them. You pay a 7.5% tax on a domestic ticket and a $3 tax for each segment of a flight. Hotel and rental car taxes vary by state, but can be as much as 40% of your overall cost. Ouch!
4. "Sin" tax on beer, liquor, gambling and cigarettes. The federal tax on a pack of cigarettes is 39 cents, but there are many state and local taxes that increase the price. Tobacco taxes contribute more than $7 billion to the Treasury every year. Almost half of the cost of beer and liquor comes from excise taxes.
5. Catching a fish or two isn't free. A fishing enthusiast pays 10% of the sales price on sport-fishing equipment in taxes. That's enough to make you switch to another sport. Maybe archery? But wait, an archer pays 40 cents tax per arrow. And quivers are taxed at 11%! If you buy a shotgun or other firearm, you'll pay 11% of the sales price in federal tax on the gun as well as any ammunition. Handguns are taxed at 10% of the sales price.
6. State taxes on insurance premiums. This little doozy brings in $9 BILLION in revenue a year! States charge insurance companies a tax on the insurance premiums they receive from customers in that state. And who do you think the insurance companies pass that cost along to? You got it. You and me.
7. Excise tax on imports. The sneakiest of all the hidden taxes that we pay is in the form of excise taxes on many of the products we import. The tax makes the prices of imported products artificially high to make it easier for domestic products to compete.
Here are just a few of the items and the percentage that their prices are jacked up by import taxes:
Bicycles 11%
Brussel sprouts 12%
Cotton hammocks 15%
Infant formulas 18%
Flashlights 18%
Peanut butter 143%
Girdles and panty girdles 24%
Brooms 32%
Plastic school supplies 5%
8. Payroll taxes. Forget about your income tax withholding. When is the last time you looked – really looked – at all the other taxes coming out of each and every one of your paychecks? You've got your Social Security tax, your Medicare tax, your unemployment tax, your workers compensation... It all adds up to a serious percentage of your money going into someone else's pockets.
That's eight hidden taxes and there are 80 more where those came from! The bottom line is all these hidden taxes are nickel and diming us to death. And with so many Americans already struggling, every dollar counts.



Source www.dailyfinance.com...



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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I am in no way saying its not true, nor have I shifted my frustrations..there are far too many topics to cover on one thread though, I have said and I am still saying we don’t know the exact figure yet (30% or 38%). I’m still blaming obummer and his administration for the implementation of this obamacare crap, which is in turn causing tax rates to increase, which will in turn be used to fund the same lazy welfare abusing libtards that voted him in. In essence, I am still very angry about our hard earned money being stolen from our families to support the growing number of welfare abusers. I haven’t said anything to the tune of scrapping the welfare system and haven’t dared to blame our country’s issues solely on abusers alone. There are endless examples of waste and misappropriation in our current system, no matter what party is in control. Read what you want to out of the posts but that’s the bottom line.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Hey man. I understand your being upset about our political arena and how inherently screwed up it is, but it's not just Obama. He's just a political mouthpiece of the greed mongers. I thank you for being there with our brothers and sisters overseas and I'm glad you made it back. I pushed for Ron Paul because he was the only candidate that made sense and they practically duct taped his mouth shut at every corner. It's proven to me that our so called votes don't matter. They will throw whatever jackass in office that will be their Uncle Tom. That includes Obama. He doesn't give a damn about what race you are or what you've done for the country any more than Romney would have. That being said, I have a major beef with the leaders of our military as well. Our soldiers are being used in this global ponzi scheme so that they can horde oil and poppy seeds or whatever else the political magnates are deifying along with the almighty dollar. Not to mention the experiments. You can pretend they don't use our warriors as guinea pigs, but I've seen it first hand. I come from a long line of soldiers all the way back to WW II and every time I talked about joining the military I got the same response. Don't. Doesn't mean I don't respect and admire them. It enrages me that they are being used to fill Rockefellers pocketbook.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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There are several points to address but let me start off by saying that you should never believe anything a company tells you about taxes or labor law in general. They will always either lie or twist the facts to their favor.

How many times must we deal with this. Let`s make it clear yet again right-wing: Obama is NOT a socialist. He is a capitalist of the highest order. Simply look at the members of his cabinet for all the evidence you need.

As far as the `Obama is not a citizen.` Just give that one up already. The only support that argument has gotten is from the extreme right-wing who have ruined their creditability a long time ago.

`Obamacare` is NOT socialist healthcare. It has two phases. One phase is private healthcare reform. Now, private healthcare insurance companies will not be able to deny someone coverage due to a health condition the person already has; along with other reforms. The second phase is healthcare coverage exchange. This is a shared responsibility in which workers and a given company pay a shared amount of the needed money for proper healthcare coverage. Many other nations have a similar system and it has resulted in massive improvements in the overall quality of life for the common people. Yet, it is still not a socialist style healthcare system.

On to the next point

Free welfare checks

Okay. First of all, welfare checks are not free. They are funded though taxes which are part of the idea that society has a duty to take care of those in need. It is called being a human and not a cold blooded animal. My parents got food stamps and, for a time, a welfare check and healthcare from the government. My parents were working poor. My sister and I did not starve and were able to get basic healthcare because of such programs. In fact, I signed up for food stamps while I was working my way though University. I was able to get a degree in journalism because of a little help from the government in the funding of my education. Now, I live in Japan and work as an English teacher. I have been able to live a life I would have never known if it had not been for American society holding up the idea that it is a duty of society to help those in need.

On a closing note, libertarianism is not a `traditional` American idea. You entire post is clearly expressing the libertarian agenda. This line of thinking comes from, among others, the Chicago School of Economics. Milton is a good reference point and intro of the Chicago School of Economics. Currently, libertarians and the extreme right-wing are pushing for the `Shock Doctrine` as a way to spur the economy to grow. That would be a terrible idea; just ask Chile how it worked out for them.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Bildo

Originally posted by JBpage76

Originally posted by Hawking
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Yeah sounds like a pretty crappy job, not sure the OP knows this isn't happening to anyone else...


The tax increase is based on yearly income, and yes, if you work for a living its going to affect you too! Those of you who receiving welfare or still live with mommy will not see or feel it though. At my income level (105k-250k) the tax levels are estimated to increase 30-38%, and it not my employer isn’t raising the “federal” taxes. Everyone in my career field or income level is going to be getting the same increase.

What is the definition of income?
Why are you paying federal taxes? Are you a federal employee? Or for that matter, why are you paying any income tax at all? Go read the IRS Code for who is liable for income taxes. I don't pay income tax so it doesn't affect me. And, no, I'm not living with mommy or on welfare. They fooled you into paying this tax. Instead of bitching about everything, find out the how's and why's of all this stuff. I took one document into my employer and was declared tax exempt by them. The IRS also has a copy of this doc. Don't get negative, just smarten up.


Please enlighten us on this. As I have research this many times over the years and it seems that no one who actually tried to opt out of taxes ever actually succeeded.

evans-legal.com...



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by JBpage76
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I am in no way saying its not true, nor have I shifted my frustrations..there are far too many topics to cover on one thread though, I have said and I am still saying we don’t know the exact figure yet (30% or 38%). I’m still blaming obummer and his administration for the implementation of this obamacare crap, which is in turn causing tax rates to increase, which will in turn be used to fund the same lazy welfare abusing libtards that voted him in. In essence, I am still very angry about our hard earned money being stolen from our families to support the growing number of welfare abusers. I haven’t said anything to the tune of scrapping the welfare system and haven’t dared to blame our country’s issues solely on abusers alone. There are endless examples of waste and misappropriation in our current system, no matter what party is in control. Read what you want to out of the posts but that’s the bottom line.


Of course there is waste and misappropriations in our current system - but that has been happening long before Obama. Why just blame liberals and Obama? Bush and his conservative cronies spent and wasted a ton of money.

So, is your problem Obamacare, or is your problem really just lazy people? Let's pretend there are no lazy people anymore - pretend we rounded them all up, put them in concentration camps and gassed them. Now, the only people who get welfare are the decent, hard-working people who genuinely need a temporary helping hand until they get back on their feet. Do you still hate Obamacare now? If we could reform the system so that all lazy people get kicked out of the system, would you be happier with the system then? Would you be happier with liberals? Would you be happier with Obama?

I just think you're anger is really unfocused - I don't think you really know what you are angry about. You may be listening to too much Fox News, and too much Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck. It's confusing you.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Maybe you should... and thats not exactly how the GI Bill works.. you have to pay in order to use it. I paid in way more than I used.

my grammar?, lets talk about your ability to understand and absorb what you read... Your reply is so far off base, its like you haven’t read any of the posts at all... probably why you don’t make more that you do...just a guess.


You put in 100$ a month for 12 months as an E-1 and receive 1549$ a month in educational benefits for approximately 3 years totaling approximately $55,000. You pay for the GI Bill with the years you put into military service. I've never heard of anyone paying more money into a GI Bill than they received... this might be another instance where your math skills have failed you.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by DoubleDNH


Maybe you should... and thats not exactly how the GI Bill works.. you have to pay in order to use it. I paid in way more than I used.

my grammar?, lets talk about your ability to understand and absorb what you read... Your reply is so far off base, its like you haven’t read any of the posts at all... probably why you don’t make more that you do...just a guess.


You put in 100$ a month for 12 months as an E-1 and receive 1549$ a month in educational benefits for approximately 3 years totaling approximately $55,000. You pay for the GI Bill with the years you put into military service. I've never heard of anyone paying more money into a GI Bill than they received... this might be another instance where your math skills have failed you.


Yeah sorry, not quite. This is an instance where you lack the ability to understand and retain what you read. I attended college for almost two year before joining the military as stated earlier..three credits shy of my degree. I spent eight years in the military, investing in the bill the entire time. Upon being discharged and acquiring the remaining three credits, plus the training required for my current field… pretty simple to figure… again.. nowhere near what I put in, as stated earlier. Any other bunk theories or quick insults that just make you look desperate.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by DoubleDNH


Maybe you should... and thats not exactly how the GI Bill works.. you have to pay in order to use it. I paid in way more than I used.

my grammar?, lets talk about your ability to understand and absorb what you read... Your reply is so far off base, its like you haven’t read any of the posts at all... probably why you don’t make more that you do...just a guess.


You put in 100$ a month for 12 months as an E-1 and receive 1549$ a month in educational benefits for approximately 3 years totaling approximately $55,000. You pay for the GI Bill with the years you put into military service. I've never heard of anyone paying more money into a GI Bill than they received... this might be another instance where your math skills have failed you.

Yeah sorry, not quite. This is an instance where you lack the ability to understand and retain what you read. I attended college for almost two year before joining the military as stated earlier..three credits shy of my degree. I spent eight years in the military, investing in the bill the entire time. Upon being discharged and acquiring the remaining three credits, plus the training required for my current field… pretty simple to figure… again.. nowhere near what I put in, as stated earlier. Any other bunk theories or quick insults that just make you look desperate.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by JBpage76

Originally posted by DoubleDNH


Maybe you should... and thats not exactly how the GI Bill works.. you have to pay in order to use it. I paid in way more than I used.

my grammar?, lets talk about your ability to understand and absorb what you read... Your reply is so far off base, its like you haven’t read any of the posts at all... probably why you don’t make more that you do...just a guess.


You put in 100$ a month for 12 months as an E-1 and receive 1549$ a month in educational benefits for approximately 3 years totaling approximately $55,000. You pay for the GI Bill with the years you put into military service. I've never heard of anyone paying more money into a GI Bill than they received... this might be another instance where your math skills have failed you.


Yeah sorry, not quite. This is an instance where you lack the ability to understand and retain what you read. I attended college for almost two year before joining the military as stated earlier..three credits shy of my degree. I spent eight years in the military, investing in the bill the entire time. Upon being discharged and acquiring the remaining three credits, plus the training required for my current field… pretty simple to figure… again.. nowhere near what I put in, as stated earlier. Any other bunk theories or quick insults that just make you look desperate.


This is quite interesting because I am currently using my GI Bill as I write this response. I am not lacking the ability to understand, you are spewing false information in an attempt to make a point that is so diluted at this point, most people don't even know what you are trying to say.

Your math has been shown to be incorrect. You are now completely making up information about the GI Bill which I have first hand knowledge of how it works. You sign a document in basic training which allows the US Military to withdraw $100 a month from your first 12 months of service. Assuming you leave the service with an honorable discharge you stand to receive a substantial check each month which pays for school and then some.

Cut & pasted direct from va.gov when I just logged in. If you still believe that I do not understand what I am talking about - please continue.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benefit Program:
The program and chapter under which you are receiving benefits: MGIB - Active Duty
(Chapter 30)


Remaining Benefits:
This is the amount of entitlement you have left as of 12/24/2012. It is expressed in the number of months and days you are eligible for full time benefits.

Delimiting Date:
Benefits are not payable after: 04/04/2017


Your Last Verification Information:
Last Check or Direct Deposit Amount: $1XXX.00
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Please note, I am not saying the GI Bill is a bad thing, I think it is a very honorable thing to provide educational assistance when leaving the military. I am just responding to the false information JB is spreading.

Thanks.
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Yeah, when a liberal makes 200k plus a year, it’s OK, but when a conservative makes 200k plus a year, than it’s a problem. I don’t care if you’re a liberal or not, if you worked hard for that money, than it’s yours.

It’s called 1 word……Jealousy!



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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And that's a good excuse to blame liberals for everything? I've had it up to my neck with all the pointing fingers around here. How about instead of finding someone to blame, we find a solution?

LE GASP! What a suggestion!

Also, I'm a liberal. And I can honestly tell you that I'm not jealous of the moneybags of the system. If anything, I pity them, because their mentality is restricted by what they can spend money on. My heart does not run on silver and gold - it runs on acts of kindness and the love of those I care about. So when the money runs out, I can continue functioning, because money is the one thing I really don't care about, and funnily enough, it can't buy the one thing I really like most in this world:

LOVE. Food and clothing is commonplace these days, but where is love? Love should be more precious than the gold backing the collapsing dollar in this economy, and I look forward to the day these aristocrats finish building their dreamy golden empire and realize that they can't eat money.
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Basic training was 16 years ago for me, and you may be correct on the first twelve months, honestly I seem to remember it going quite a bit long but maybe not. So, in that I apologize if I may be incorrect on the timeline of payments I paid in. However, even if I am wrong it still accounts for $1200, as you stated, paid in. I assure you I did not receive $1000 plus dollars a month to attend which would have been awesome, seems like it was more like $400, and that was only used three months. So that pretty much makes me even with Uncle Sam then.
Now, had I needed to start school from scratch or attend full time, it would have been extremely useful as I believe at the time the GI Bill was around 40k + or -. It is an awesome investment tool for service members. There, feel better?



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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30-38% increase relative to what you already pay. To be clear, that means if were to pay 10% you would then pay 13-14%.. not 40-48% of your income.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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possibly.. and after the board meeting in a few weeks, I will post the exact numbers.. to either confirm what we were told or debunk it. Once I know it to be true or false, I am not above admitting something I said is incorrect.

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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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JB, you are correct about the coming increase, but he was estimating the 50% total based on their tax (UK), as American expats these will not be completely accurate for us. Besides, I thought all you Texas guys were trying to secede..lol. Kidding I'm down.

Peace - Oscar Uniform Tango!

Oh BTW, have fun walking the diamond tonight. CPs are going to be nuts so check the bag.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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I’m still blaming obummer and his administration for the implementation of this obamacare crap, which is in turn causing tax rates to increase, which will in turn be used to fund the same lazy welfare abusing libtards that voted him in.
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You do know that "Obamacare" was not the first time that healthcare was discussed in America, right? and you do know that "Obamacare" is basically the plan that was put forward by the GOP in previous discussions, right? (that is until Obama wanted to do it and the "stop Obama at all costs" mentality struck the GOP). Also such terms as "Lazy welfare abusing libards" are really just uncool. I am neither lazy or on welfare and I voted for Obama.
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Then I would guess he wasn’t referring to you.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by AgentZoil
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Then I would guess he wasn’t referring to you.



I would "guess" so as well.

Though the tone of the message made it hard to tell.

A reminder not to stereotype is never bad.





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