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New petition on Whitehouse.gov: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede

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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by MissCoyote
were screwed get over it we cant even over throw. no secession nothing so buckle up theres nothing we can do.LOOPHOLE STITCHED CLOSED
edit on 14-11-2012 by MissCoyote because: did some investigating


No one like a sharpshooter so don't take this for me nitpicking...

The US code you cited doesn't prohibit the formation of groups or societies that advocate secession only the violent (also cited in the code are violence and assassination) overthrow of the government. Advocating the lawful and non-violent secession is not forbidden.

There are and have been ever since the War of Northern Aggression ended active and vocal secessionist groups acting without legal interference from the US government.

Let me caveat my claim by stating they are allowed because they are so fringe they might as well not exist. However, if the movement were to gain steam I think the government and its agent provocateurs would be out there inciting these groups to step over the established lines and cross into real criminal activity in an effort to get public support for the meme that they are criminal in nature to scare citizens from joining.




posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by DarthFazer
This guy pretty much nailed it imho




you ACTUALLY watched the ENTIRE thing?

The guy was an idiot incorrectly wearing the mask . unless it was subtle sarcasm which I'm not convinced he's capable of.. but anything's possible

He needs to get off whatever caffeine drink or prescribed meds and I suggest the denial of such ignorance in the future.

If he made some remark in there that's original and adds to the discussion, please point me to the minute or describe it.

This type of reaction, to an originally cleverly written petition, is divisive and scary. The reason? there's probably 100Xs more of this type of blind follower than the one's signing the petition. I doubt many who signed it truly believed it could or would happen. It's a wake up call crying "We The People" has become "We The No Choice Anymore Governed Sheeple"

We need intelligence.. not idiots laughing behind a mask spouting "luls"

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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So this petition wants to strip citizenship of people who want to leave their citizenship . . .

Brilliant logic of the left.

Secessionist: "We want to leave the US!"

Unionist: "No, you can't! And I demand that everyone who wants to leave should be kicked out!"

Secessionist: "Umm . . . okay, thanks. Check you later. We're out!"

lololol


 
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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For those that think us pro cessation are just whiney bitches, well I'm a productive person. I employ quite a few people, make more than most surgeons, and pay a crap load of taxes. In the unlikely event Texas seceded I'm there. As for exit strategy I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes. Look at what happened in France when they tried to squeeze the already squeezed. The bottom feeders ain't go no one left to leech off when the productive class bails. Keep thinking the government will always provide food stamps, healthcare, and security, see how that works out for you in 10 years.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes


What are trying to say? Are you Jason Bourne or something? I have a passport as well but not multiple foreign ones. If you are isn’t posting on here against OPSEC?



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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To those who want to secede, I say GO. Get the # out. The country would be much improved without you. Go find your capitalist's paradise where blackie is not president and live out your dreams in peace. Just GO.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by Grumble
To those who want to secede, I say GO. Get the # out. The country would be much improved without you. Go find your capitalist's paradise where blackie is not president and live out your dreams in peace. Just GO.


Why are so many jumping on what is inferred as racial bias for wanting to secede from the U.S.? I will not sign it for my own reasons, as I still love America for all the things outside of the issues that have caused many to want to do this. Even if I did want to sign and join the movement of those who want to secede, it wouldn't be racially motivated reasons. It would be because I am sick of the two party paradigm and all the things that have have led up to the mess we are all in from previous presidents before Obama and including things I have seen with Obama as president as well. Racial motivation would not be a factor in making that decision for myself in any regard whatsoever.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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where is the source? Or was this a burn thread. Typed up by a caffeinated intern.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by jr429
 


So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.


LOL. Only a minority of physicians are members of the AMA. I'm not and most of my associates are not. The AMA has nothing to do with "artifically created barriers." The AMA is not a union, you don't have to be a member and they have nothing to do with me or my practice.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Grumble
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So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.


I built my business through blood, sweat, tears by starting in a garage, working 100+ hour weeks for years with a $15k investment that I borrowed while in college 12 years ago. I build stuff, technology to be exact. To assume I'm in a guild or organization is foolish, but you're on the right track, it is precisely these guilds, unions, etc. that is ruining America, including the teachers union.

And actually half my income is already derived from non-US revenues. Americans are deluded into thinking the US will forever be the center of the world. That is quickly changing. America was a great country once - until the socialists began taking over and demanding more and more entitlements. I employ quite a few americans. Do you have any concept of what ridiculous unemployment insurance, workers comp, BS taxes, BS regulations, and heavy handed income taxes due to a small business in a global economy? It makes them move. Just look at France, begging their productive class to come back despite popular socialist opposition:

www.thehindubusinessline.com...

You mentioned teachers. America is like an elementary school class room where the teacher is afraid of being voted out of a job by the students. And guess what the students will always vote for? Recess, no homework, and watching films all day. Is this good for the students in the long run?

You should learn more about how the economy truly works before judging. Learn to read a municipal balance sheet, understand how budgets are being spent, and sources of revenue. Then take a look at guaranteed entitlements including how teachers, nurses, police officers are going to be paid out for their retirement. It will blow your mind.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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I think the sensible answer to all this seccession talk is to just offer anyone full freedom to leave the country. Let the 5% who believe this leave and go somewhere else. Secede from America on a personal level, but leave the states as part of the union.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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I think the sensible answer to all this seccession talk is to just offer anyone full freedom to leave the country


Umm, we already have that. Just because were able to, doesnt mean that everyone has the means to.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
I think the sensible answer to all this seccession talk is to just offer anyone full freedom to leave the country. Let the 5% who believe this leave and go somewhere else. Secede from America on a personal level, but leave the states as part of the union.


Won't work, the economy will collapse. Many of the same people that want to leave are the highest producers and the ones paying the most tax. Assuming even a 20% loss of the highest quintile this puts ANOTHER gaping hole in the federal budget. This is why France is trying to reverse course and why many believe capital export restrictions will be put into place soon.



As for those that think the upper class are just exploiting the rest of america - well certainly some are, but many of the upper class are just simply smarter and therefore make incredibly productive doctors, professors, business owners, finance professionals etc.



Don't get me wrong, socialism is founded on good intentions - but the practice of socialism results in class warfare and the destruction of any desire for productivity, and will ultimately destroy the country. Just look at Greece, Spain, etc.

This isn't about the present - it's about what's going to happen down the road. Our budgets at all government levels are mathematically unsustainable. Our promised entitlements are mathematically unsustainable. In order to appease the leeches the government WILL BE FORCED to begin asset confiscation. And this is why many want out, because we know what's coming down the pipe if we don't reverse course soon.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by jr429
 


So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.


First of all, jr429 has the right to do for himself to the best of his(her) abilities and if that bothers you, it's you that has the problem. All he has done for himself is what this country has been all about for the last 200+ years. These are the people this country was built upon. So if by chance that person got an education and earns a 6 figure income at his chosen profession, that person deserves every bit of it, and you in all your disgust, can enjoy the monies in the taxes he pay. I say good for him and shame on you.

As far as the kindergarten teacher making $40,000, it appears to me, "she", and those that came after her in your education were quite successful at infusing you with the liberal doctrine. Your use of "artificially created barriers" and "extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits" is more than proof of that. The teachers in our public education system are at a root of the problem with their liberal slant to both history and educating for at least the last 35 years. Kindergartners and first graders are singing songs about "The Great One". That's what OUR teachers have done to our children. They planted the seeds of our nation's undoing (sissification) and we are reaping the rewards of that education and even more so in the future. God help you younger folks.

The comment "The America we ALL built offers you" is just more malarky. Most of every structure that exists today were paid for and built by people that are now dead. Save your political talking point for someone who cares.

jr429 has made the best of every opportunity to succeed in this country contributing to its betterment. You, me and most everyone in this country has had the same opportunity. If we fell short of our goals, maybe it was our own fault. People must learn that our lives are the sum of our choices. But to denegrate others for their success is absolutely ludacris.

I know, sit down and shut up!!



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Grumble
To those who want to secede, I say GO. Get the # out. The country would be much improved without you. Go find your capitalist's paradise where blackie is not president and live out your dreams in peace. Just GO.


Pardon me if I quote something from an old, apparently useless piece or paper:


IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

All I got to say is you need an education!!!

For many of "us", the Federal Reserve, Wall St. Bankers, a Congress full of lawyers who could care less about the people, and the misuse of our military, are more important than who is President. This one just happens to be the whipped cream on a sundae. If you can't see by taxing the largest employers in this country - small businesses - is a major blunder for our economy. If you don't see it, no one can help you.

States have withdrawn before and may happen again. We were, and may still be, a Federation of States, where The Constitution explicitly delineated the limits of Federal Government authority, and those not specifically mentioned, were left to the jurisdiction of the State and the American people.

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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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These people are the most entitled, whiney, angry babies the planet has ever seen.


No it is just the opposite, it is the Nanny Staters who are the entitled ones. Don't want people to vote differently on a bill, don't tell them what's in it. Nancy proved you could do that in Congress no matter how unConstitutional it was.

Just a few short years ago there were so many liberals who hated Bush they continually spouted on the Internet how embarrassed they are to be Americans. Where have all those people gone? Oh now it's the other way and they are getting their Nanny State and suddenly the opposition doesn't get to be angry. What hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those Red states get the most loot from the Government.

I'm fine with one state being set aside for everyone who wants to secede -- but there aren't enough people to populate it.

I would truly welcome your experiment living in a NON- Nanny State. Of course you could just move to Haiti.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by jr429
For those that think us pro cessation are just whiney bitches, well I'm a productive person. I employ quite a few people, make more than most surgeons, and pay a crap load of taxes. In the unlikely event Texas seceded I'm there. As for exit strategy I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes. Look at what happened in France when they tried to squeeze the already squeezed. The bottom feeders ain't go no one left to leech off when the productive class bails. Keep thinking the government will always provide food stamps, healthcare, and security, see how that works out for you in 10 years.


those people you employ, how much do you pay them?, are they full time?, do you offer benefits?...do you listen to them if they offer suggestions on how to improve business?, do you treat them fairly?...and are your employees productive members of society or are they just leeches? and if YOU provide no healthcare, are they still leeches if they cannot afford healthcare and get government help?



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by jr429
For those that think us pro cessation are just whiney bitches, well I'm a productive person. I employ quite a few people, make more than most surgeons, and pay a crap load of taxes. In the unlikely event Texas seceded I'm there. As for exit strategy I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes. Look at what happened in France when they tried to squeeze the already squeezed. The bottom feeders ain't go no one left to leech off when the productive class bails. Keep thinking the government will always provide food stamps, healthcare, and security, see how that works out for you in 10 years.


those people you employ, how much do you pay them?, are they full time?, do you offer benefits?...do you listen to them if they offer suggestions on how to improve business?, do you treat them fairly?...and are your employees productive members of society or are they just leeches? and if YOU provide no healthcare, are they still leeches if they cannot afford healthcare and get government help?


My guys are young, smart, and hardworking, the polar opposite of what you would call a leech. They would rather be doing something rather than sitting at home collecting 99 weeks of unemployment or faking a disability like some of their friends (and mine).

As for healthcare, please explain to me how they would get government help seeing as how they don't qualify for medicare. You mean the county hospital? Funny enough the Stockton public hospital where you live is bleeding money and on the verge of shutting down if it were not mandated by law. What's a key problem? Union regulations and nurses making $120k, maintenance making $90k. The ponzi scheme of "government assistance" is about to have a very rude awakening in the next 10 years if we don't fix the problem because the redistribution fallout is going to be bloody.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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I would love to be able to revoke my citizenship.

living in this country is an embarrassment and wish we could break off from the union.

course being too broke to leave the country also sucks or I'd be on the first flight out long time ago.

U.S. is a world embarrassment and I hate to tell people I'm American, I usually lie and say I'm Canadian online.





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