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Originally posted by MissCoyote
were screwed get over it we cant even over throw. no secession nothing so buckle up theres nothing we can do.LOOPHOLE STITCHED CLOSEDedit on 14-11-2012 by MissCoyote because: did some investigating
Originally posted by DarthFazer
This guy pretty much nailed it imho
I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes
Originally posted by Grumble
To those who want to secede, I say GO. Get the # out. The country would be much improved without you. Go find your capitalist's paradise where blackie is not president and live out your dreams in peace. Just GO.
Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by jr429
So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.
Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by jr429
So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.
I think the sensible answer to all this seccession talk is to just offer anyone full freedom to leave the country
Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
I think the sensible answer to all this seccession talk is to just offer anyone full freedom to leave the country. Let the 5% who believe this leave and go somewhere else. Secede from America on a personal level, but leave the states as part of the union.
Originally posted by Grumble
reply to post by jr429
So you are in a guild, a union, the AMA, and because of that and artificially created barriers to entry in your business you can extract unreasonable fees and obscene profits from your customers. And for that you consider yourself the productive class and the rest of us moochers? You do realize that dollars are not a useful measure of productivity, right? That a lowly kindergarten teacher with her $40,000 salary may produce for more for this society than you and your 6 figure income? You disgust me. Take your degree and your business to another country and see how you do without the advantages the America we ALL built offers you.
Originally posted by Grumble
To those who want to secede, I say GO. Get the # out. The country would be much improved without you. Go find your capitalist's paradise where blackie is not president and live out your dreams in peace. Just GO.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
These people are the most entitled, whiney, angry babies the planet has ever seen.
No it is just the opposite, it is the Nanny Staters who are the entitled ones. Don't want people to vote differently on a bill, don't tell them what's in it. Nancy proved you could do that in Congress no matter how unConstitutional it was.
Just a few short years ago there were so many liberals who hated Bush they continually spouted on the Internet how embarrassed they are to be Americans. Where have all those people gone? Oh now it's the other way and they are getting their Nanny State and suddenly the opposition doesn't get to be angry. What hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!edit on 14-11-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jr429
For those that think us pro cessation are just whiney bitches, well I'm a productive person. I employ quite a few people, make more than most surgeons, and pay a crap load of taxes. In the unlikely event Texas seceded I'm there. As for exit strategy I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes. Look at what happened in France when they tried to squeeze the already squeezed. The bottom feeders ain't go no one left to leech off when the productive class bails. Keep thinking the government will always provide food stamps, healthcare, and security, see how that works out for you in 10 years.
Originally posted by jimmyx
Originally posted by jr429
For those that think us pro cessation are just whiney bitches, well I'm a productive person. I employ quite a few people, make more than most surgeons, and pay a crap load of taxes. In the unlikely event Texas seceded I'm there. As for exit strategy I already have foreign passports and foreign real estate. US is on the road to ruin, im prepared for multiple outcomes. Look at what happened in France when they tried to squeeze the already squeezed. The bottom feeders ain't go no one left to leech off when the productive class bails. Keep thinking the government will always provide food stamps, healthcare, and security, see how that works out for you in 10 years.
those people you employ, how much do you pay them?, are they full time?, do you offer benefits?...do you listen to them if they offer suggestions on how to improve business?, do you treat them fairly?...and are your employees productive members of society or are they just leeches? and if YOU provide no healthcare, are they still leeches if they cannot afford healthcare and get government help?