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no, no, HELL no...
Originally posted by Benchkey
Think about it, it isn't that people really want to secede from the union, it is that they are fed up with the federal government and they have selected this quite visible way to announce that to the feds.
The feds have trodden on states rights and now there is the beginning of a backlash.
Remember we are 50 states that came together for mutual protection and mutual and free boarders so that commerce could take place.
The federal government has no right to have a police force other than the FBI which is supposed to be involved in cross state crime, and federal crime. The TSA is a federal police force, but it illegal based upon our Constitution.
Read the Constitution and learn what is given to the Federal government, and what is the right of the states.
Originally posted by Feltrick
Has anyone read through all of these "petitions"? A few are repeats of other petitions and most are about seceding from the Union. Some are just ridiculous....
Peitition to create "Judge Dredds"
petitions.whitehouse.gov...
It only has 729 signatures.
If this one gets 25,000 signatures, the POTUS will be forced to address it. Is this really what we want our politicians doing when our economy is in the tank, people dying in Gaza, and NIBIRU on the horizon?
To save the POTUS some time, I will answer for him:
No state is going to be allowed to secede from the United States of America, no matter how many people sign the petition.
No citizen will be stripped of their citizenship if they sign a petition requesting their state be allowed to secede.
No Judge Dredds, that's why we created DHS.
Get back to work, politicians, nothing to see here.
Originally posted by dubiousone
reply to post by muse7
Seriously, dude, you're the one who should leave. Your posts show that you have no clue what it means to be an American. Or, instead of leaving, maybe you should go back to high school and take your civics classes over again and then come back and let us know what you learned.
Originally posted by Cito
I would love to be able to revoke my citizenship.
living in this country is an embarrassment and wish we could break off from the union.
course being too broke to leave the country also sucks or I'd be on the first flight out long time ago.
U.S. is a world embarrassment and I hate to tell people I'm American, I usually lie and say I'm Canadian online.
Originally posted by Daedalus
no, no, HELL no...
Originally posted by Benchkey
Think about it, it isn't that people really want to secede from the union, it is that they are fed up with the federal government and they have selected this quite visible way to announce that to the feds.
The feds have trodden on states rights and now there is the beginning of a backlash.
Remember we are 50 states that came together for mutual protection and mutual and free boarders so that commerce could take place.
The federal government has no right to have a police force other than the FBI which is supposed to be involved in cross state crime, and federal crime. The TSA is a federal police force, but it illegal based upon our Constitution.
Read the Constitution and learn what is given to the Federal government, and what is the right of the states.
the TSA IS NOT a law enforcement agency. TSA employees ARE NOT sworn law enforcement officers, nor are they federal agents. they are more or less like mall rent-a-cops, that operate under the auspices of the federal government.
TSA/VIPR is not legal. i liken them to brownshirts in pre-war germany.
another thing thats been brought up, that i think is causing people to be a bit chaffed by the federal government, is the whole topic of income. some posts have talked about people leaving and taking their money with them, some have talked about things like taxes, capital gains, wealth/asset import restrictions.....the common theme here is the federal government thinking it has some right to the citizen's money. the federal government has NO ownership of the people's income...we work for that money, it's ours, what right does the federal government have to act as if it belongs to them? i can understand sales tax, and a tax on fuel, and import tax... but what about income tax, and property tax, and unearned income tax, and capital gains tax, and inheritance tax, and all the other taxes? it seems as if every time the average citizen gets a hold of a little money, the federal government is RIGHT THERE with their hand out..it's not right. THAT is why people cannot advance or succeed in this country, because the federal government is robing them blind, so they can continue to blow the legs off people in a country most people can't even point out on a globe, and bail out their friends, business associates, and shareholders..
it needs to stop...i'd say eventually the citizenry will revolt, but there are too few of us with our eyes open..the rest are either rich, fat, and happy, or poor, dumb, blind, and placated with government-provided bread and circus. it is a truly sad state our once great nation has fallen into... i dream of the day these united states return to their former glory, but i fear it will either never happen, or will not happen in the remainder of my lifetime..edit on 16-11-2012 by Daedalus because: things, stuff, and words..
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Originally posted by dubiousone
reply to post by muse7
Seriously, dude, you're the one who should leave. Your posts show that you have no clue what it means to be an American. Or, instead of leaving, maybe you should go back to high school and take your civics classes over again and then come back and let us know what you learned.
I will spar with Muse any day but would never say he should "leave". That is akin to the principle behind the "petition" movement in question. Oppose those who do not think like you. It is yourself that should go back and review civics and history. I will side with my "enemy" on this one because my "ally" is completely wrong.....edit on 16-11-2012 by ownbestenemy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bildo
Enter "income tax" into a search. Read the IRS code for income tax. It will tell you who is liable and what income actually is in their definition. The people have been duped into adhesion contracts without full disclosure. Without full disclosure, the contract is void. The federal government, aka United States Inc, does own all your "money", Federal Reserve Notes(FRN's). Research it. FRN's are just debt script, not lawful money. They created(printed it) so they own it. The Fed. Res. loans these FRN,s, at interest, to Corp US. And whatever you bought with FRN's belongs to them too. Since you actually never really "paid" for it. Like a car that you "buy". You get a Certificate of Title. Ask yourself---Who has the REAL Title, since all you have is a certificate of title, and not THE title.
i dream of the day these united states return to their former glory--- you said it. My dream, too.
These (plural) united states (the Republic) is not the same as THE United States. (Singular, meaning the corporation)
Originally posted by Christopher58
There are 750,000 signatures nationwide...........that's 750,000 taxpayers we are suggesting leave the country......
Originally posted by Madmax777
reply to post by boncho
Yeah, Detroit is a good place to send them. That would be the worst punishment imaginable.
Originally posted by Bildo
In 1861 Congress was disbanded and never legally re-convened.[/QUOTE]
No it was not actually.
Scalia is clueless.
no, you are the clueless one here.
The Government of the United States incorporated itself into a private corporation
No it has not.
Care to show the website where you are getting this rubbish from?
Originally posted by Bildo
Originally posted by Cito
I would love to be able to revoke my citizenship.
living in this country is an embarrassment and wish we could break off from the union.
course being too broke to leave the country also sucks or I'd be on the first flight out long time ago.
U.S. is a world embarrassment and I hate to tell people I'm American, I usually lie and say I'm Canadian online.
Three years ago I did the "Redemption Package" which was very well worth it. Many of you will say it's a load of crap. I found out it's not. Doing this actually got rid of my citizenship. (Me, the flesh and blood, living-soul). You don't have to leave the country. A US citizen is different from being an American. I've been trying to find information to provide concrete answers to many questions I have been asked. This is information, facts, from years ago in my research. Much was lost when I got rid of the computers when they die. I haven't tried to find it all again since this is stuff that anyone can find just by "googling" the terms they wish to research. I'm doing what I can, in the time I have, to re-find all this info about Corp US. I'm not talking about you, Cito. I'm talking about the people who can't read between the lines when our so-called government does something. Cito, look into leaving the US Corporation, without moving. (Unless you live in DC) It can be done.
A document, called a UCC-1 Financing Statement, is in the "Redemption Package". I took that doc into my employer and was declared TAX EXEMPT. They said it, not me. The IRS also has a copy of it. They know my "status". This is proof that a properly done Redemption Package is legit. I hope you and others try it, along with joining your states Republic. Research and ask questions. You are quite right--living in this country is an embarrassment.
Originally posted by foodstamp
Originally posted by Bildo
Originally posted by Cito
I would love to be able to revoke my citizenship.
living in this country is an embarrassment and wish we could break off from the union.
course being too broke to leave the country also sucks or I'd be on the first flight out long time ago.
U.S. is a world embarrassment and I hate to tell people I'm American, I usually lie and say I'm Canadian online.
Three years ago I did the "Redemption Package" which was very well worth it. Many of you will say it's a load of crap. I found out it's not. Doing this actually got rid of my citizenship. (Me, the flesh and blood, living-soul). You don't have to leave the country. A US citizen is different from being an American. I've been trying to find information to provide concrete answers to many questions I have been asked. This is information, facts, from years ago in my research. Much was lost when I got rid of the computers when they die. I haven't tried to find it all again since this is stuff that anyone can find just by "googling" the terms they wish to research. I'm doing what I can, in the time I have, to re-find all this info about Corp US. I'm not talking about you, Cito. I'm talking about the people who can't read between the lines when our so-called government does something. Cito, look into leaving the US Corporation, without moving. (Unless you live in DC) It can be done.
A document, called a UCC-1 Financing Statement, is in the "Redemption Package". I took that doc into my employer and was declared TAX EXEMPT. They said it, not me. The IRS also has a copy of it. They know my "status". This is proof that a properly done Redemption Package is legit. I hope you and others try it, along with joining your states Republic. Research and ask questions. You are quite right--living in this country is an embarrassment.
Did you get your tax money back? There's a form for that too if you have not done so already.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by Bildo
In 1861 Congress was disbanded and never legally re-convened.[/QUOTE]
No it was not actually.
Scalia is clueless.
no, you are the clueless one here.
The Government of the United States incorporated itself into a private corporation
No it has not.
Care to show the website where you are getting this rubbish from?
Again, just goooooooogle it. It's more than just one single website. I've tried to post links but haven't had much luck at it on this site. Go ahead. google: United States Incorporated I'm not here to do everything for you. I can tell by your comments you don't want to find out that what I have posted is true.
So, I'll ask you this: Who is subject to the income tax? That's a real easy one. Hint: You get it out of the IRS Code! It'll tell you plain and clear. Or you can have fun with it. Go down to your local IRS office, slap your checkbook on the counter, and tell them you "want to pay all your taxes, right now! AS SOON AS YOU SHOW ME THE LAW THAT SAYS I'M LIABLE FOR THESE TAXES." And try to keep a straight face.