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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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The Occupy movement was a joke from the very beginning.

I seriously wonder what the gov't would do if US citizens renounced their citizenship and didn't leave the country.


They'd give 'em green cards, free housing, financial aid, and generally more rights than the people who actually want to be here.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Happy1
 



The Occupy movement was a joke from the very beginning.

I seriously wonder what the gov't would do if US citizens renounced their citizenship and didn't leave the country.


They'd give 'em green cards, free housing, financial aid, and generally more rights than the people who actually want to be here.



omg that was great hehe



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Lol You keep saying that but it's not true no matter how many times you say it! I bet everyone of those people who signed secessionpetitions knows what Marxism is and they know they don't want it. Using crony Capitalism has always been a method to exploit the system. Just like getting Marxists into the WH to exploit our judicial and legislative system.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Lol You keep saying that but it's not true no matter how many times you say it! I bet everyone of those people who signed secessionpetitions knows what Marxism is and they know they don't want it. Using crony Capitalism has always been a method to exploit the system. Just like getting Marxists into the WH to exploit our judicial and legislative system.


I am pretty sure it is croney capitalism that they don't want and neither do I. it is not about welfare, gun control, marxism, the united nations, etc. It is all about making the government accountable to the people who elect it.

You just like spreading disinformation and even think it is funny somehow.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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lol, You just keep telling yourself that!!!



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


lol, You just keep telling yourself that!!!


So you like croney capitalism? You really do?

Even gary johnson and ron paul hate it.

I never knew you support mitt romney and his dishonest, duplicitious war mongering rhetoric.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by seamus
I think it's a great idea, but the gov. will never go for it.

You see, the corporate office of "Citizen" is an essential part of the web of deceit that keeps twinkies lawfully under the thumb of the suffering-producer extraordinaire, the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Those people need that suffering to continue and increase until their attention can be secured to the lesson at hand. To wit: All is one, and separation is illusory, just as free will is illusory.

I would pay an ounce of real silver to have the gov't strip "me" of "my" citizenship. (actually they would just be expunging the record of presumed joinder between "my" person and their corporation. of course, I don't actually believe in said person, but they like to pretend, and their game is strong!)


Well, Seamus. If I could I'd shake your hand and salute you. Finally, someone with intelligence and knowledge.
Just one minor detail. The corporate office of citizen is with a lower case "c" in citizen. They don't deserve the capital "C" as they are the lowest entity on the hierarchy list. Please correct me if I'm wrong here:
Creator
Man (Sovereign Citizen)
State government (ie; Wisconsin Republic)
National Government (Republic of the united States of America)
Corporations (ie; United States[1871], Wal-Mart, Target..........
Corporate citizens (US citizens, US persons, ......
We all started out as Sovereign Citizens answering only to our Creator. What happened? If you deny having a creator then take that out. The listing still holds true.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Lol You keep saying that but it's not true no matter how many times you say it! I bet everyone of those people who signed secessionpetitions knows what Marxism is and they know they don't want it. Using crony Capitalism has always been a method to exploit the system. Just like getting Marxists into the WH to exploit our judicial and legislative system.


You have no clue what youre barking about. Socialism! Marxism! Fear! Dont you dare touch the megarich!

All talking points that betray an agenda. You are not here to study new viewpoints. Youre here to indoctrinate.

Grow a pair and admit it.
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by cdesigns
If you dont want to be part of the USA, you dont need to be here, go live in another country.

Ahhh, yes. Another one that doesn't know how to read. If you knew how to read and were open to gaining knowledge, you would know that United States is a corporation, NOT a country. I left the USA that you speak of. Meaning the corporation. I'm a member of the Republic. The United States was legislated into existence by The Act of 1871. Notice the designation is in the singular. THE United States. We used to be known as "these united States, or, the several States of the union of states.
I'll bet you happily pay Federal income tax too. Look at the IRS tax code. Are you a US employee?.Yet you pay this tax?
And, since United States Inc. was taken over by it's creditors in 1933, you are a British subject. Sooo.... YOU can leave anytime now. We Americans (non US citizens) will stay.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Happy1
 



The Occupy movement was a joke from the very beginning.

I seriously wonder what the gov't would do if US citizens renounced their citizenship and didn't leave the country.


They'd give 'em green cards, free housing, financial aid, and generally more rights than the people who actually want to be here.


No they wouldn't. You make it sound easier than it really it. if that were the case i would not have had to pull teeth to get my wife's green card. You are very uninformed and have never gone through the process so please shut up



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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A case in point was the $43 trillion lawsuit filled by Spire Law group and aired by CNBC media(probably the first) that ended up costing the VPs children their life and then everyone took the lawsuit off their webpage. The police then tried to pin the stabbings against the nanny and probably succeded as she is in jail now. Totally ignoring the hostage situation reported to nypd an hour earlier. Shills on ats arrived to spread their disinformation.

Some people listen exclusively to fox news as though it is fair and balanced. Nothing could be further from the truth. At least the other msm outlets don't call obama and his robots marxists..even they have enough brain cells left in them to tell the difference between croney capitalism that creates the welfare state, and some make-believe socialist agenda. The first rule in socialism is the workers own the means of production, either directly or via the state. In america everything is privately owned by mega-corporations that export their brand of capitalism to the world. it should be plain as day for those that have two functioning eyes and a little common sense.


Thanks for backing me up. ATS has gone far right to the point of embracing ignorance!
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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by Bildo
 


Well we practically don't have much of a choice about choosing to live either as citizens or sovereign nationals, because it involves lots of paperwork initially and lots of hassle with the law whenever we get in trouble. I think the best solution is to vote for people who actually care about this country and it will not come from a D or R unfortunately: both sheep parties. There are many parties to choose from, provided the mainstream media does their job as they freaking should have been doing all along.

The corporation is owned by the bilderbergers, illuminati and royal families. The same beorgoise has been at it for thousands of years and all their surreptitious planning is coming to fruitition, especially in the middle east with israel.

You do have a choice! It CAN be done without the paperwork, but is easier with it. And it's not really all that much.
Voting in the corporation will not get anything good done for our country. Like you said, The same beorgoise has been at it for thousands of years and all their surreptitious planning is coming to fruitition , because the people have been deceived into believing that United States is a "Government". And yes, we do get hassled by corporate policy enforcers. But when we prove to THEM that we are not subjects of their corporation, then they have to leave us alone. If they don't, they open themselves up to Title 42 action.
Why do you think a cop asks you for a drivers license when he pulls you over? It's to verify that you are a subject of Corp US and subject to their corporate policy(statutes).



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Happy1
 



The Occupy movement was a joke from the very beginning.

I seriously wonder what the gov't would do if US citizens renounced their citizenship and didn't leave the country.


They'd give 'em green cards, free housing, financial aid, and generally more rights than the people who actually want to be here.

Wellll, ok. We don't need green cards. If I needed a green card, my employer would have told me so when I took in a copy of my recorded UCC-1 Financing Statement, and they declared me TAX EXEMPT.
Free housing? Maybe you should study the US Bankruptcy of 1933, and HJR 192.
Financial aid? Nope. We are responsible for ourselves. Again, see HJR 192 for discharge of debt.
Give me rights? The government(corporation) does not grant rights. They grant privileges. Rights were given to us by our Creator and cannot be taken away, unless we give them up voluntarily. Like volunteering to be a corporate US citizen where you are granted privileges. And must obey corporation policy.(statutes)



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Bildo

I, and many others, are not US citizens, but live in this country. We are members of the Republic. You have to know the difference between US citizen and American National, or a member of the Republic. United States is not a country--See "The Act of 1871".
12160.info... 39%3ABlogPost%3A1010367&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post


A working linke might be more informative.

but I suspect not since you persist with this fantasy of the US not being a country, etc.


One member on this site called me ignorant and that I should come back to the present century. What this person doesn't realize is that history has a lot to do with what is happening to us right now.


indeed it does - but real history, not fantasy concoctions such as this.


Another interesting thing to look at is "The Bankruptcy of the United States of1933". It was taken over by it's creditors. (Happy Independence Day) That's why we operate in receivership and only use debt script (federal reserve notes) which are not "lawful money".


Funny how reality doesn't quite jibe with all these ideas...



The National Government, that we had prior to the incorporation, was never meant to rule over the people in the states. Yes, the states were treated as separate nations in relation to the Fed. Gov.

Also, statutes are not law. Statutes are corporation policy.




the motto here is to deny ignorance, not to flaunt it.

edit on 14-11-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: quoting



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by votan

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Happy1
 



The Occupy movement was a joke from the very beginning.

I seriously wonder what the gov't would do if US citizens renounced their citizenship and didn't leave the country.


They'd give 'em green cards, free housing, financial aid, and generally more rights than the people who actually want to be here.


No they wouldn't. You make it sound easier than it really it. if that were the case i would not have had to pull teeth to get my wife's green card. You are very uninformed and have never gone through the process so please shut up


I am fairly certain that he was being sarcastic, so stop telling people to shut up, tough guy.



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Socialists: What? You still want to go by the Constitution? oh hell no...YOU CAN LEAVE!!!!

and take your freedoms with you, ya liberty lovin bastids~



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Bildo

I, and many others, are not US citizens, but live in this country. We are members of the Republic. You have to know the difference between US citizen and American National, or a member of the Republic. United States is not a country--See "The Act of 1871".
12160.info... 39%3ABlogPost%3A1010367&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post


A working linke might be more informative.

but I suspect not since you persist with this fantasy of the US not being a country, etc.


One member on this site called me ignorant and that I should come back to the present century. What this person doesn't realize is that history has a lot to do with what is happening to us right now.


indeed it does - but real history, not fantasy concoctions such as this.


Another interesting thing to look at is "The Bankruptcy of the United States of1933". It was taken over by it's creditors. (Happy Independence Day) That's why we operate in receivership and only use debt script (federal reserve notes) which are not "lawful money".


Funny how reality doesn't quite jibe with all these ideas...



The National Government, that we had prior to the incorporation, was never meant to rule over the people in the states. Yes, the states were treated as separate nations in relation to the Fed. Gov.

Also, statutes are not law. Statutes are corporation policy.




the motto here is to deny ignorance, not to flaunt it.

edit on 14-11-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: quoting


Sorry the link doesn't work. I took the url directly from the site. Try doing a copy/paste of the entire url into a search engine instead of just the 12160 part that is highlighted.
So, you deny the Act of 1871 exists. You deny the 1933 bankruptcy exists. You deny HJR 192 exists. It's all documented! You are worse than hopeless. If you don't have the intelligence to research this yourself I can't help you. You are the perfect definition of a "sheeple". And inside a box, too. C'mon, prove me wrong. Call the IRS. Call the Federal Reserve. Start asking questions. Or are you afraid?



posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Bildo

So, you deny the Act of 1871 exists. You deny the 1933 bankruptcy exists.


I don't know what act of 1871 you are refering to.

probably it exists and you just don't understand what it does....or, more likely, are deliberately misinterpreting it as something utterly different to what it is.

Certainly the "bankruptcy of 1933" is fantasy - going off the gold standard is NOT the same as being bankrupt - it's not even close, and if youbelieve it is you have some serious problems.


You deny HJR 192 exists.


Of course HJR 192 exists - stop telling lies about what I said.


It's all documented! You are worse than hopeless. If you don't have the intelligence to research this yourself I can't help you. You are the perfect definition of a "sheeple". And inside a box, too. C'mon, prove me wrong. Call the IRS. Call the Federal Reserve. Start asking questions. Or are you afraid?


What would I ask them, and why would I be afraid?

Your 3 points above are easily shown to be utter rubbish - time after time, in court and out as well.

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posted on Nov, 14 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

But, as I'm also British, what the Republican party does is pretty irrelevant to me from a personal perspective.


Since you are British, your opinions are pretty irrelevant to me from a personal perspective.

Britain is nothing to be admired today.





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