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reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 03:19 PM by PurpleChiten
reply to post by Annee



You are ever-welcome Mrs. Annee


The "Christian Left" is seldom heard from either here or anywhere else. I feel this is because they follow what Christ says and does and don't stand on the street corner preaching at the top of their voice. They also have very different understandings and interpretations than their extreme-right breathren have.

I feel it's time they be heard if for no other purpose than to keep people from turning away from God. They need to know the whole story (or at least more of the story) and see that not all "Christians" are like the group that is causing people to leave the church and leave God because of their very un-Godlike and un-Christlike stances.

I value my relationship with God and want that relationship to be available to others. If the extremist fundamentalist evangelicals had been the only people to turn to in my youth, I would never have known God and never would have had that relationship. I don't want others to suffer that fate.
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reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 03:25 PM by PurpleChiten
Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
Jeremiah 1:5

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

That's the one that I have been hearing lately.

For less biblical folks, it's in the preamble of the U.S Constitution as well in the use of the term "posterity", or so I've heard.

www.merriam-webster.com...

Definition of POSTERITY
1
: the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2
: all future generations
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Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck


Yeah I thought the same thing, but I've heard the spin on this verse and abortion used in Christian dogma.


First, I'm happy that you followed up and stated that it wasn't the verse, but its use in Dogma that you were referring to.

That was one of the examples that the article cited and spoke of saying it was inadequate in stating that the fetus was a living soul. God knew our souls, not our human bodies. When does the soul enter the body?

There are many who would argue that since Jeremiah was pre-ordained to be a prophet that he was a "special case" as was John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. God knew the pregancies would be successful and guarded them as they progressed. They say that not all pregnancies fall in this category. That seems reasonable since they were clearly preordained for a specific purpose whereas others are not.

Do you feel that Jeremiah's case applies to all people? Is there any scripture to support that belief?



reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 03:53 PM by GeneralMishka
Originally posted by windword
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post by GeneralMishka



22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,


Well, that's really up for interpretation, isn't it?

If a woman's fruit departs from her due to trauma, what further mischief could we expect? Perhaps, the man's wife bleeding to death?

How likely is it that a 5 month old fetus lives through such an ordeal? How likely is it that a Hebrew judge would determine "a life for a life" and would exact the death penalty because of the expulsion a dead, bloody, undeveloped fetus that never drew breath? Is there such an example we can refer to in the Bible, where the death penalty is exacted for causing a miscarriage? Nope.



I looked it up

"Verse 22. "And hurt a woman with child" - As a posterity among the Jews was among the peculiar promises of their covenant, and as every man had some reason to think that the Messiah should spring from his family, therefore any injury done to a woman with child, by which the fruit of her womb might be destroyed, was considered a very heavy offense; and as the crime was committed principally against the husband, the degree of punishment was left to his discretion. But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder-the person was put to death; ver. 23"

Adam Clarke


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reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 06:35 PM by BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by PurpleChiten



YES!!! Finally some one else gets it. There is no soul in the woumb. After all christians are born again, not concieved again. Pro life pro choice only keeps people politically polarized.


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 06:38 PM by PurpleChiten
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest



Many of us get it, it's just that people on this side of the "political spectrum" don't spew it at others the way the venomous right-wing does. The "Christian Left" is finally stepping up in the face of the foe that has developed over time. We should have nipped it much earlier, but perhaps it wasn't time to do so yet. There are many steps in separting the wheat from the chaffe


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 06:47 PM by GideonFaith
If this isn't considered human life, than what is?

One of the most amazing photographs I have ever seen is of a surgery being performed on a 21 week-old fetus named Samuel Armas. The boy is having surgery performed in utero for his spina bifida. In the photograph, the unconscious boy's hand is poking through the surgical incision in the uterus and is resting on the finger of the surgeon. You can see the photo at www.michaelclancy.com... The picture paints a thousand words that my mere words cannot match, but allow me to draw attention to the obvious fact that the surgeon is performing surgery on one living human being who is residing in the womb of another living human being.
www.prolifephysicians.org...

This pretty much sums it up.

The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion
www.priestsforlife.org...

Since President Obama is back in office, he has stated he will fight for partial birth abortions to become legal. So, this would mean that abortions can be performed up to the very second the baby is to be delivered.

Barack Obama on Abortion

www.thepoliticalguide.com...

Partial Birth Abortion
www.priestsforlife.org...

At the end of our lives, we all have to stand before God for judgement. For those who believe in Him anyway.


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 07:37 PM by Quadrivium
reply to post by PurpleChiten



They are presently trying to cram down everyone's throat that life begins at conception, that's not really in line with biblical teachings at all. In fact, it would be more of a scientific statement than a religious one. Of course, that group uses whatever may suit their purpose to push their ideas onto others, case in point.

I have not read all of the post yet but I will go back and do so.

Point 1: Abortion is NOT a religious issue. Christians are not the only ones who believe life begins at conception.
Many athiest, scientist, doctors and people of other faith believe it as well.

Point 2: One can Not tell you what the bible teaches by reading a web page. If you want to know, read it from cover to cover. Then study some more.

Point 3: Why are you trolling (not an actual point but I had to ask)?

When a woman has an abortion she takes away a human life. You do not have to be a Christian to understand that.
Think of it this way................
When you hear of someone who was convicted and executed for a crime they did not commit, how does it make you feel? Like an injustice has been done? Well that is how many feel about abortion. The life of an innocent person was taken.
Sorry, this has nothing to do with religion. This is a question of being humane.



reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 07:45 PM by Bone75
reply to post by PurpleChiten



This thread is another great example of why I'm not a Christian.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 07:48 PM by windword
reply to post by borntowatch





Why do we hear so little from almost all women who have an abortion?
The shame?
The fear?
The grief?


There is certainly an overt attempt to shame women who have had abortions into silence, but to answer your question; It's because it's a personal decision that is made in private. It's nobody's business.

However, any woman that you know that uses "The Pill" or an "IUD" or uses Norplant for contraception has experienced an abortion. These methods don't always prevent conception but cause the uterus to become an hostile environment resulting in early abortions.

For those of you who believe that life begins at conception, this is a problem. These women using these contraceptives are no more or less guilty than the woman who takes "The Morning After Pill" or seeks a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy.


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 08:45 PM by SplitInfinity
reply to post by PurpleChiten



It should not be a question of when life begins as that is academic. A Sperm Cell is alive and is Biologically Self Determinate. A Human Egg Cell is alive and is also a Life Form unto itself. Thus the question that asks...When does life begin?...is fundamentally wrong.

The question that should be asked is when does a developing Fetus gain Sentience. This is the question that should be answered with a degree including a Plus or Minus period of time to ensure proper informational facts that will be a great help in allowing decisions pertaining to planned parenthood to be properly thought out.

I however would never try to tell a person what they can or cannot do with their body. Split Infinity


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 09:35 PM by PurpleChiten
reply to post by borntowatch



But is it really the action that they regret and fear or is it the way society treats them that they regret and fear? THAT is the big question.....


reply posted on 11-11-2012 @ 09:37 PM by PurpleChiten
reply to post by Quadrivium



Since you are responding on a thread I created with things not related to the thread, it would seem that you are the one trolling, not me
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