Originally posted by Trustfund
I'm pro-choice (early stage of pregnancy), but a 8.5 month year old fetus is clearly alive. So killing an 8.5 month year old baby as long as he is in womb fluid is moral?
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Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
That's the one that I have been hearing lately.
For less biblical folks, it's in the preamble of the U.S Constitution as well in the use of the term "posterity", or so I've heard.
Definition of POSTERITY
: the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
: all future generationsedit on 11-11-2012 by MichiganSwampBuck because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
Yeah I thought the same thing, but I've heard the spin on this verse and abortion used in Christian dogma.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by GeneralMishka
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Well, that's really up for interpretation, isn't it?
If a woman's fruit departs from her due to trauma, what further mischief could we expect? Perhaps, the man's wife bleeding to death?
How likely is it that a 5 month old fetus lives through such an ordeal? How likely is it that a Hebrew judge would determine "a life for a life" and would exact the death penalty because of the expulsion a dead, bloody, undeveloped fetus that never drew breath? Is there such an example we can refer to in the Bible, where the death penalty is exacted for causing a miscarriage? Nope.
Originally posted by GeneralMishka
I looked it up
"Verse 22. "And hurt a woman with child" - As a posterity among the Jews was among the peculiar promises of their covenant, and as every man had some reason to think that the Messiah should spring from his family, therefore any injury done to a woman with child, by which the fruit of her womb might be destroyed, was considered a very heavy offense; and as the crime was committed principally against the husband, the degree of punishment was left to his discretion. But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder-the person was put to death; ver. 23"
One of the most amazing photographs I have ever seen is of a surgery being performed on a 21 week-old fetus named Samuel Armas. The boy is having surgery performed in utero for his spina bifida. In the photograph, the unconscious boy's hand is poking through the surgical incision in the uterus and is resting on the finger of the surgeon. You can see the photo at www.michaelclancy.com... The picture paints a thousand words that my mere words cannot match, but allow me to draw attention to the obvious fact that the surgeon is performing surgery on one living human being who is residing in the womb of another living human being.
The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion
Barack Obama on Abortion
Partial Birth Abortion
They are presently trying to cram down everyone's throat that life begins at conception, that's not really in line with biblical teachings at all. In fact, it would be more of a scientific statement than a religious one. Of course, that group uses whatever may suit their purpose to push their ideas onto others, case in point.
Why do we hear so little from almost all women who have an abortion?
Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
I won't be back to this thread until tomorrow so if you want to hop on the bandwagon about what a horrible person I am because I aborted a child.. you'll have to chill.