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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by r2d246
ya but the Nazi's invented the idea of putting floride in water at the concentration camps.
How about you do some of tha research that you insist others do??
There is actually no credible evidence that fluoride was used in any concentration camps at all.
The sole source of the story was Charles Perkins - so who was Charles Perkins and where did he get his info?
There is a claim he was sent by the US Govt to take charge of I.G. Faben after WW2 - but Perkins himself makes no actual mention of any connection with I. G. Faben in his book - an odd omission since it would be quite an important association to establish his credentials, and neither he nor fluoride rate any mention in "The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben".
Also I.G. Farbin had it's own war trial - the records are available online & I see no mention of Perkins or Fluoride in them - but they are very long - it's entirely possible I missed it so please feel free to point them out if you find any.
his failure to provide any documented link is analysed here.
Others have looked for evidence to support the claim - eg this forum discussion from 2009, and this one - AFAIK no-one has actually found any.
Just another BS conspiracy myth made up to scare people.
Originally posted by supergravity
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by r2d246
Aloysius is just doing what everyone should do -- looking for evidence to back up a claim.
because someone makes a claim, that does not necessarily mean it is true -- even if you THINK IT SHOULD BE TRUE. An unsubstantiated claim that supports your pre-existing notions is not automatically true just because it supports your pre-existing notions.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by supergravity
I don't normally quote Rense, but even he says that there is no evidence that they ever used Ethylene Dibromide in jet fuel.
rense.com...
The only sources I can see that say JP8 has EDB in it are chemtrail sites. Even the MSDS for JP8 doesn't show EDB, and it's required to show all hazardous chemicals.
Ethylene dibromide is mainly used (83% of all use) as a scavenger for lead in anti-knock gasoline mixtures, particularly in aviation fuel.
100LL, also known as 100 octane aviation fuel (100 Low Lead), is a petroleum fuel designed for reciprocating aircraft engines. This gasoline has an octane number of no less than 99.6, adheres to ASTM Specification D 910, and contains tetraethyl lead as an anti-knock agent. The addition of tetraethyl lead (TEL) in aviation gasoline also requires the addition of ethylene dibromide (EDB) as a scavenger to help remove lead oxide from engine components after combustion. The resulting emission product is mostly a lead dibromide particulate which enters the atmosphere and pollutes the environment with lead. Unlike other pollutants, this compound is never absorbed or reacted into something less harmful.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by r2d246
Aloysius is just doing what everyone should do -- looking for evidence to back up a claim.
Just because someone makes a claim, that does not necessarily mean it is true -- even if you THINK IT SHOULD BE TRUE. An unsubstantiated claim that supports your pre-existing notions is not automatically true just because it supports your pre-existing notions.
edit on 11/19/2012 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
Alex Jones doesn't lie. he's got 10 million listeners scrutinizing his stuff. If he lies it hurts his rep and he'll be exposed. The Nazi's were taken to the you-us during paperclip Opp. Now they and their decendents run much of the show. Rand, see eye ah, pentagram etc etc, all had the nazi's in them. So they tought the you es how to make the people more dosile.
Alex Jones doesn't lie. he's got 10 million listeners scrutinizing his stuff. If he lies it hurts his rep and he'll be exposed.
Now they and their decendents run much of the show.
Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People
Alex Jones doesn't lie. he's got 10 million listeners scrutinizing his stuff. If he lies it hurts his rep and he'll be exposed. The Nazi's were taken to the you-us during paperclip Opp. Now they and their decendents run much of the show. Rand, see eye ah, pentagram etc etc, all had the nazi's in them. So they tought the you es how to make the people more dosile.
United States Aeromet, Inc. (L-3 Communications) – U.S Department of Defense
BAMEX – Bow Echo and Mesoscale Convective Vortex Experiment
CALIPSO – CloudSat Validation Experiment
Delaware Department of Agriculture Cloud Seeding Program
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Federal Aviation Administration – Great Lakes Division
Gratiot Weather Modification Project
Illinois Weather Modification Projects
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration – National Hurricane Center
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Nevada State Cloud Seeding Program
New Mexico BLAST (Burst Light and Stratus Transmission) Project
North Dakota Cloud Modification Project (NDCMP)
North Dakota Thunderstorm Project – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
North Dakota Tracer Experiment – North Dakota Atmospheric Resource Board
Northeast Sampling Program – Sonoma Technology, Inc.
NSF/NCAR ICE-L Field Campaign
Oklahoma Weather Modification Project (OWMP)
Panhandle Groundwater Conservation District Rainfall Enhancement Program
Santa Barbara County Water Agency
Sonoma Technology, Inc.
Stanislaus Weather Modification Program
State of South Dakota – Department of Natural Resources Division of Weather Modification
Texas Central High Plains Rainfall Enhancement Program
Texas Experiment in Augmenting Rainfall through Cloud Seeding (TEXARC)
Texas Weather Modification Program
The University of North Dakota – US Environmental Protection Agency
University of Arizona – National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Upper American River Cloud Seeding Project
Upper Payette River Basin Cloud Seeding Program
Upper Tuolumne River Weather Modification Program
Utah Division of Water Resources
Utah Division of Water Resources
West Central Texas Council of Governments Rainfall Enhancement Program
Western Dakota Water Development District – Black Hills Council of Local Government
Wyoming Weather Modification Pilot Program
* In the Las Vegas Tribune report, the U.S. Air Force on their website called chemtrails a “chemtrail hoax*
,” but “scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base confirmed to the Ohio newspaper, Columbus Alive, that they were involved in aerial spraying experiments. One involved aluminum oxide spraying related to global warming and the other involved barium stearate and had to do with high-tech military communications.”
Here's a part of why we have these ridiculous threads here with ridiculous titles like... "chemtrail hoax" lol, whatever, and people engage in these silly exchanges to infinity, pretending to look, but not really,instead of engaging in bringing forward these topics, there is enough info on weather mod and tests to spend weeks if not months researching but instead the 'usual suspects' can't help but reverting back to the usual ways. Yawn...
A woman looks up at the mass of contrails left by a jet aircraft crossing the sky above St. Michael's Tower near Glastonbury, England. (Matt Cardy/Getty Images)
“Chemtrails” rain aluminum nanoparticles on man, beast, and land.
In the Las Vegas Tribune report, the U.S. Air Force on their website called chemtrails a “chemtrail hoax,” but “scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base confirmed to the Ohio newspaper, Columbus Alive, that they were involved in aerial spraying experiments. One involved aluminum oxide spraying related to global warming and the other involved barium stearate and had to do with high-tech military communications.”
The documentary film What in the World Are They Spraying? produced by G. Edward Griffin, Michael Murphy, and Paul Wittenberger shows the impact on the environment of chemtrails. For instance, the snow on Mount Shasta normally has 7 parts per billion (ppb) of aluminum, but over the last four or five years it has increased to 61,000 ppb.