My Personal Crisis of Faith

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


I also have to ask that if a year is governed by the sun and a month is governed by the moon ? What is it that governs a week ? 7 days is the number of God. 6 is the number of man. Six for man and on the seventh everything must rest. For that is Gods day.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by randyvs

 

Stop dodging.

This is related to faith because it substantiates a cause for faith. However, unsubstantiated faith leads to a crisis of faith, so how about you answer the question and give this faith some substance?

We're all waiting. Those of us with functional IQ's, that is.

'unsubstantiated failth' is what you term mainstream religion as?

That you are alive today alone proves that such faith had been substantiated. I know not many would have studied history, but history - records of human existance of the past till present - had provened how barbaric some tribes of mankind were.

Empires rosed and fell, but it was only those whom followed moral and ethical codes that won in the end, resulting in your presence on Earth today, otherwise if barbarians had won, there will be even no monkeys, whom you deemed as your ancestor, let alone mankind, be alive today.

And where did those moral and ethical guidelines for a civilisation to exist come from?. Do spend more time on studying in mainstream religions, rather than living in your fantasyland of a supposed 'consciousness' which you cannot even use history or science to explain, but that which only exists within your deluded low IQ mind.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

If you don't need evidence to make a claim, then you are not reliable and bear no credence. This means that you may as well stop pretending to be right, because it would be quite safe to assume that you stand as much chance of being wrong as being right.

Not at all my functional one. It just means we disagree on what evidence is . Mr. functionality.

Surely you predicted my response.

reply to post by randyvs


Is a month governed by the moon?

A year is the time it takes the earth to complete its orbit of the sun.

A day is a rotation of the earth but weeks and months are more of a man made creation. They don't really mark anything celestial.

You could even try say a month is governed by a woman's menstral cycle lol. As per usual all this can happen without a god.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I did not reply in this thread in order to get into a debate on the existence of God.

The most High exist and only the spiritually desolate cannot see that.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

'unsubstantiated failth' is what you term mainstream religion as?

Not all of it, but a lot of what's being trumpeted on the streets comes awfully close. When was the last time we saw a miracle that could only have been attributed to the Christian god? Each and every instance in which a humanly conscious (as the anthropomorphic standards of the Judaic god seem to imply) higher power should have stepped in to save its children...nothing. They died. It was a tragedy. There was a reason. What reason? No one knows. The lord works in mysterious ways.

Well guess, what, Al Qaeda works in mysterious ways and we don't give THEM the golden pass, do we? No, it's all in how we think about the culprit. "God" is the catch-all.

That you are alive today alone proves that such faith had been substantiated. I know not many would have studied history, but history - records of human existance of the past till present - had provened how barbaric some tribes of mankind were.

Actually, it proves my dad drank too much one night and banged my mom without protection. My sister was the result of rape. Please, pull the Romney card. Go ahead. I beg you.

Those tribes blamed the lightning on Thor, other tribes called on Poseidon when there was a storm at sea, still other groups claimed that Apollo carried the sun across the sky in his chariot. That's how they explained the Niles river, right?

That's not substantiated faith. That's confusion. Sounds kinda familiar, huh?

And where did those moral and ethical guidelines for a civilisation to exist come from?.

Philosophers. Greek philosophers. Partially. And I don't believe they followed a Christian god.

Do spend more time on studying in mainstream religions, rather than living in your fantasyland of a supposed 'consciousness' which you cannot even use history or science to explain, but that which only exists within your deluded low IQ mind.

Borderline genius, for the record. Not that it does me much good when everyone is too absorbed in their own righteousness to pay any attention.

So you're telling me my above answers are incorrect? And why would I study mainstream religion? I suppose you want me to try a few weeks as a Catholic, too. I may as well become a politician and aim for a seat in the White House.

reply to post by randyvs


We know exactly what you class evidence as, it is what you believe and what is written in the bible. You can't substantiate your evidence with any external physical sources.

On a scientific basis your evidence doesn't hold water.

reply to post by TitanBCE


The debate in the existence of a god is extremely important. You should not just assume there is a god, you should look for evidence first but you won't cos you know you won't find any.

reply to post by randyvs

Not at all my functional one. It just means we disagree on what evidence is . Mr. functionality.

ev·i·dence/ˈevədəns/
Noun:
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Next: valid

val·id/ˈvalid/
Adjective:

Actually supporting the intended point or claim; acceptable as cogent: "a valid criticism".

Next: cogent

co·gent/ˈkōjənt/
Adjective:
(of an argument or case) Clear, logical, and convincing.

Now we have 'evidence' as meaning: "The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is acceptable as clear, logical, and convincing."

So far, I think I've been circling closer around that mark than you have.

Surely you predicted my response.

I'm not well-versed in irrationality. I'm just familiar with your response every time someone makes a good point.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Thank for your honest reply, and your admittance to the works of men as a reference for your deluded beliefs. If you do not accept religion or attempt to study the subject relevant to this thread, do at least study history, not just kennedy's year, but way back when civilisation began and left recorded history.

If you do not, then your 'contributions' to this serious thread of a fellow human whom is making enquries on relgious matter is absolutely out of your depth, for your ignorances is telling.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by randyvs

 

We know exactly what you class evidence as, it is what you believe and what is written in the bible. You can't substantiate your evidence with any external physical sources.

On a scientific basis your evidence doesn't hold water.

No! You are of the mindset that everything is tangible of course there is no proof by scientific protocols. That's the way the whole lie is set into motion. You can't bring anything spiritual into your lop labs. Therefore nothing spiritual exists. It's retarded.

AI

I'm not well-versed in irrationality. I'm just familiar with your response every time someone makes a good point.

Still wasting your time with people of such low caliber AI. You funny man.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Thank for your honest reply, and your admittance to the works of men as a reference for your deluded beliefs.

what? Who wrote your Bible then, Saint Peter? I suppose he used a flaming spear, too?

If you do not accept religion or attempt to study the subject relevant to this thread, do at least study history, not just kennedy's year, but way back when civilisation began and left recorded history.

Please post your credentials as an expert on these subjects. If I am required to be, then so are you.

If you do not, then your 'contributions' to this serious thread of a fellow human whom is making enquries on relgious matter is absolutely out of your depth, for your ignorances is telling.

You fail to point out my errors, yet you call me ignorant. Don't be shocked if I'm disinclined to take you seriously.

reply to post by GafferUK1981


Sure it's important, but does it really matter when both sides will refuse to change their mind? The nonbeliever will never change his mind, nor will the believer. So then, whats the point? I have all the proof I need. I have found the proof within me. You are constantly looking for some sort of empirical, tangible evidence, but you will not find it with science. Atleast not mainstream science. The proof is alot closer than you think, or even care to think.

reply to post by randyvs

You can't bring anything spiritual into your lop labs. Therefore nothing spiritual exists. It's retarded.

I never said nothing spiritual exists. I just said that your claim of "only my version of spirit is the real one" is ridiculous. Scientists are just beginning to discover spirit - the awareness at the most minute level of subatomic physics.

Oh, but that's right. To identify anything spiritual beneath a microscope or through scientific experiment - especially if it's not clearly in line with the Bible - is an absolute no-no.

At least the Dalai Lama admits that Buddhism must be aligned with scientific conclusion. Your Christianity can't be bothered. "Christianity is older, so it knows better"

Yes, it was also written by men who believed the Earth was the center of the universe, and that the Sun revolved around us. How's that for enlightenment?

So let me state this simply: the evidence surrounding the authors of the Bible (according to experts) suggests that a certain degree of intelligence was severely lacking. So why should their opinions bear any relevance on us today? I'm more inclined to listen to the Greeks!

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

 

Exactly a day is one rotation of our planet. So what exactly is a day to god?

Get out of this one too, when god says let there be light it is accepted that he created the sun yet we KNOW the sun was here long before the earth so why does the bible suggest he created the earth before the sun.

It's funny that you call yourself the seeker of truth yet you are ignorant of scientific fact. You're not looking very hard or you seek with closed eyes.

SIgh...you are indeed showing your infantile age, wiping any doubt that I had of you that you are a matured adult I had been dealing with.

My point in that post was this:- which years was God talking about - Earth, or from where He created the Universe.

If He was standing on Earth and claimed it was 7 days, not impossible for a Creator, but for the sake of puny minded folks whom cannot count beyond ten, let alone billions of years, what would 7 years from the universe be in terms of Earth years if not perhaps even trillions?

If you had read further the bible than just thumbing through the first page of the Bible, you would have realize that prophets - messengers of God, had attempted to enlightened the limited minds of our uneducted ancestors, which sadly, you seem to come from there too, over the issue of timeframes.

Any further personal enlightenment you wish to fill your spiritual emptiness? I will help, if I have the time, but if not, do seek out some of the better religious establishments - churches, mosques or temples for better help. The insignificant nobody me can only do so much with what little time and space here for you on a personal basis. And you do seriously need more help, that is, if you want with your free will used.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

SIgh...you are indeed showing your infantile age, wiping any doubt that I had of you that you are a matured adult I had been dealing with.

My point in that post was this:- which years was God talking about - Earth, or from where He created the Universe.

If He was standing on Earth and claimed it was 7 days, not impossible for a Creator, but for the sake of puny minded folks whom cannot count beyond ten, let alone billions of years, what would 7 years from the universe be in terms of Earth years if not perhaps even trillions?

If you had read further the bible than just thumbing through the first page of the Bible, you would have realize that prophets - messengers of God, had attempted to enlightened the limited minds of our uneducted ancestors, which sadly, you seem to come from there too, over the issue of timeframes.

This whole post reeks of condescension. As a Christian, you are a fraud. Be ashamed in the eyes of your god. I need say no more, because even if I am wrong in my beliefs, you are still prideful in this exchange, which is forbidden, I believe.

Pride - one of the seven deadly sins. Yes, shame on you indeed. I speak in defense of the logical, rational user you attempted to tear down so irrationally. Limited minds? Your Bible was written before math was invented - math, the most logical of languages!

You have stepped in it deep.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


History teaches us that mankind has believed in gods for thousands of years, the Greeks had their polytheistic gods and so did the Romans and Vikings. Mankind then gradually changed from polytheism to monotheism and created new gods such as Allah, Yahweh and Jehovah. It does seem that man through education is starting to let go of monotheism and embrace atheism which is not really a belief system as atheism is the lack if believing in a god. It is evidence based whereas theism is desire and hope based. Ie. man is scared of dying so creates a god and convinced himself that this god will save him from death.

You have to remember that just because man gas believed in god for thousands of years it doesn't mean there is a god. Which god it would be is a complete minefield anyway.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I never said nothing spiritual exists. I

And that post wasn't even directed at you. What happened to all that functional crap you were spewing ?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


I am frequently in churches, the company I work for specialises in restoring heritage buildings and we make a lot of money working on churches.

We're fortunate there isn't a god as he would fix his own house ;-)

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Are you here to be argumentative? Is this the unsubstantiated 'consciousness' that you foolishly spout compelling you do so?

I have no care if you wish to take my words seriously or not. What do I care about one who cannot explains such 'consciousness' hyppthesis through history or science, and belittles religious faithful?

Stop dodging.

Do have some decency, and whatever moral values you have, sit and learn from others about religion, something which you obviously knows NOTHING about as you readily admitted earlier, so that after learning, you may contribute and share, over subjects that you do know, and not fantasies which you used to insult religious faithfuls.

I meant you no harm, and hope you consider my words, but still it is your choice to show your mentality, or the lack of it.