posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 02:55 PM
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
Um, you answered the question without answering it.
He knew they would take the fruit, beause he's omniscient. All possibilities and all actualities are known, from the beginning of time until the end.
That's what omniscient means. So he knew they would defy his orders, he knew the serpent would tempt them, he KNEW the tree would be too much of a
temptation for them - he knew the result of every single variable in that garden.
I did this with a friend the other night. There was a wrapper on the ground, and I told him, "I'm going to kick that wrapper. Stop me if you want
to, I will not resist." And I kicked the wrapper. He did not stop me. That was the same as him saying, "I don't care if you kick that wrapper." I
recreated omniscience and omnipotence as best as I could in that scenario, and I made my point.
So in other words, everything that happened in that garden happened according to his will. If he had not wanted it to happen, he would have either
created Adam and Eve accordingly, neglected to add the tree, or made damn sure that serpent wasn't in the garden. What happened, could not have
happened any other way. And yet, oddly enough, all the required variables were in place.
He even KNEW they would be tempted. He told them NOT to take that fruit. He knew they would be tempted somehow. And yet, he let all the pieces fall
into place in such a way that the odds were increasingly stacked against their chances of obeying him.
He was omniscient and omnipotent and omnipresent. There is no explanation other than, "He wanted it to happen." There is no excuse. And from your
lack of addressing it directly, I'm going to assume that you don't have a good answer for it either.
He chose to let it happen. And in the court of law, that's called an "accomplice". "God" is just as guilty as anyone in the garden that day,
because he had the power to stop it at any time, the power to prevent that situation from developing before the garden even existed, and he chose not
to. That was his choice.
He has dealt with the consequences ever since. That's probably why he's so ticked.
Um.... No ..... I answered it just fine. So I thought anyway. If you have a difference in opinion then so be it.
It was/is pretty obvious that learning has everything to do with why we are here and WHY things happen to us that hurt or pain us in some way. Some of
us learn the hard way as a mistake is never a mistake if we continue to make the same choices expecting different results. Understanding is key.
We are speaking opinions.... so here is mine.
He didn't KNOW anything, having a good idea is still not knowing. He was HOPING we would not take the "fruit". He was HOPING we would not be so
rebellious. He was HOPING his creation would not just walk away thinking they could do it better WITHOUT HIM. He was HOPEFUL. In this creation we can
see that there are many possibilities that exist. With each and every single choice there is an outcome related. Even the end has possibilities that
DEPEND ON US.... each and every one of US.
Everyone loves to blame others instead of taking responsibility and this is what I see and hear from people all the time.
If God intervened all the time with each of us.... what would be the point of even experiencing an Earth-School? What would be the point if everything
was decided for us. We would not have free will to make choices on our own.
God could have saved each and everyone of us a lot of pain and just wiped us off the planet to a non existence.
If that is what you want.... maybe you will get it someday.
If you would like to continue to learn the hard way.... just keep your chin up and hope that you make choices that go along with the good order of
Know that God will guide you but don't go crying and blaming him when you do not heed a warning or do not listen to your gut.
God communicates with ME. I can only speak for me.... but I can say that I am nothing special.... so If he talks to me... he talks to you.
I listen. That may be the only difference. I trust.... that may be another difference.
I blame myself for MY misgivings and do not blame God because I am not perfect. I don't blame the creator for teaching HIS WAY. Just the way it is.