posted on Sep, 23 2012 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by beezzer
They'll never fly drones over american soil, or spy on Americans.
NDAA will never pass, not with Obama.
Free speech will never be restricted to specific "zones".
The government will never force americans to buy health insurance, or face a fine via the IRS.
Famous last words. . . . . .
WASHINGTON — A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the government from enforcing a controversial statute about the indefinite detention without
trial of terrorism suspects. Congress enacted the measure last year as part of the National Defense Authorization Act.
...The new statute went beyond covering the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks to also cover people who were part of or substantially supported Al
Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or its allies. Its enactment was controversial in part
because lawmakers did not specify what conduct could lead to someone’s being detained, and because it was silent about whether the statute extended
to American citizens and others arrested on United States soil.
Who nominated the judge?
Who hasn't signed off on the NDAA? Who signed it with a Signing Statement?
At least it's on the record: Most House Republicans support the indefinite detention without trial of American citizens.
Spying on American citizens is nothing new - or didn't you know? :-)
It certainly didn't begin with the Obama administration - and how long have the drones been in development? Well, in fact - they were around in one
form or another well before the example I'm about to provide
U.S. domestic use
The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has experimented with several models of UAVs, and has begun purchasing a fleet of unarmed MQ-9 Reapers
to survey the U.S. border with Mexico. "In more than six months of service, the Predator's surveillance aided in the arrest of nearly 2,000 illegal
immigrants and the seizure of four tons of marijuana, border officials say." 
On March 20, 2007, an unmanned Border Protection agency UAV detected and led agents to six suspected aliens, including Mexican national Leopoldo
Aparicio-Lopez, who had been wanted in Washington state on charges of third-degree rape of a child. Aparicio-Lopez was one of six suspected illegals
in the group, and 395 pounds of marijuana were also seized during the arrest, federal officials said.
On May 18, 2006, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued a certificate of authorization which will allow the M/RQ-1 and M/RQ-9 aircraft to be
used within U.S. civilian airspace to search for survivors of disasters. Requests had been made in 2005 for the aircraft to be used in search and
rescue operations following Hurricane Katrina, but because there was no FAA authorization in place at the time, the assets were not used. The
Predator's infrared camera with digitally enhanced zoom has the capability of identifying the heat signature of a human body from an altitude of
10,000 feet, making the aircraft an ideal search and rescue tool.
According to a 2006 Wall Street Journal report, "After distinguished service in war zones in recent years, unmanned planes are hitting turbulence as
they battle to join airliners and weekend pilots in America's civilian skies. Drones face regulatory, safety and technological hurdles – even though
demand for them is burgeoning. Government agencies want them for disaster relief, border surveillance and wildfire fighting, while private companies
hope to one day use drones for a wide variety of tasks, such as inspecting pipelines and spraying pesticides on farms."
I'll bet those individuals that wanted their borders secured were in love with them - back in the day. Whose day was that? :-)
I'll bet they only ever used them to watch Mexicans and Muslims though - 'cause we were all honest and civil liberties conscious like that way back
Bush Authorized Domestic Spying
President Bush signed a secret order in 2002 authorizing the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens and foreign nationals in the
United States, despite previous legal prohibitions against such domestic spying, sources with knowledge of the program said last night.
Free Speech Zones?
The most prominent examples were those created by the United States Secret Service for President George W. Bush and other members of his
administration. Free speech zones existed in limited forms prior to the Presidency of George W. Bush; it was during Bush's presidency that their
scope has been greatly expanded.
Beezzer - are you sure you're mad at the right guy - or the right era even?
About the health care - feel free to give credit where credit is due - I can live with that
Nice to hear from you beezzer
edit on 9/23/2012 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)