What's in heaven (or paradise) for women specifically?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

You need to re-read it, they cast their crowns down in worship, and they sing the song of the redeemed. No offense, but you're completely wrong.

I know what it says, and I know what John saw when it took place. The text is in error, not I. There are some errors in the bible as it stands today on certain details. But, the overall message is intact.

Originally posted by jhill76

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Fallen angels have no chance for redemption.

This is true in a sense. They can never be redeemed like man is, but, many have went away from Satan, because they "learned" it was not what it was cut out to be (only a few have done this). What happens to them, is very much different. They will never be allowed back above again, though.

Correct, so there is no way they will be seated on thrones around the throne of God, casting their crowns down singing the song of the redeemed. The 24 elders are symbolic of the church.

I am speaking of the fallen ones who sided with Satan at the great fall. The archangels are different from the fallen. They always remained pure.

Why would I be talking about pure angels singing any song of redemption? Redeemed means brought back into right relationship with God from a fallen state.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You need to re-read it, they cast their crowns down in worship, and they sing the song of the redeemed. No offense, but you're completely wrong.

I know what it says, and I know what John saw when it took place. The text is in error, not I. There are some errors in the bible as it stands today on certain details. But, the overall message is intact.

Typcal.. it's God's word that's wrong, not you?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Why would I be talking about pure angels singing any song of redemption? Redeemed means brought back into right relationship with God from a fallen state.

Correct, the ones above, were singing this song because of man coming back to Father.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

You need to re-read it, they cast their crowns down in worship, and they sing the song of the redeemed. No offense, but you're completely wrong.

I know what it says, and I know what John saw when it took place. The text is in error, not I. There are some errors in the bible as it stands today on certain details. But, the overall message is intact.

Typcal.. it's God's word that's wrong, not you?

Incorrect, that is John's words, not Father. I can't believe you just stated what you said. When Father speaks, you will surely know the difference.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


"Fallen angels have no chance for redemption."

Why? Any senscient being can decide to be good, i think there for i am allows this. Why would God not wish redemption for a fallen Angel that wished to repent and take his side once again. What about the Nephilim, there half and half are they also beyond redemption?

reply to post by andy06shake

Why would God not wish redemption for a fallen Angel that wished to repent and take his side once again.

Father would like all (man, and below) to come to him, he holds love for all, even Satan. If he didn't, he would have destroyed them, when they fell. Everyone has to learn, even angels learn.

reply to post by jhill76


"Father would like all (man, and below) to come to him, he even still holds love for all, even Satan. If he didn't, he would have destroyed them, when they fell. Everyone has to learn, even angels learn."

So you agree that redemption would be given to all, if asked for?

reply to post by andy06shake

So you agree that redemption would be given to all, if asked for?

Redemption for man, and the fallen will be very different. There are many fallen who have gone to Father to ask for forgiveness.

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"Redemption for man, and the fallen will be very different. There are many fallen who have gone to Father to ask for forgiveness."

And the result? Can you list a few?

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And the result? Can you list a few?

I may not give exacts on this. But, I can say that Father grants, but, they are not allowed back above. They are completely wiped (memory, and all), and are made new again. Then he utilizes them for reasons, which I may not go into.

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Essentially reincarnation then, i have always suspected as much. Why cant you go in to depth about it? Why wipe there memory, seems this would mean they learn nothing from there fall? Very Spotless Mind of Eternal Sunshine'ish.

Originally posted by andy06shake
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Essentially reincarnation then, i have always suspected as much. Why cant you go in to depth about it? Why wipe there memory, seems this would mean they learn nothing from there fall?

edit on 21-9-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

The desire to turn away again cannot be present. They will have learned, but the memory wipe will be not what you would expect.

*I must stay inside of parameters, thus the vagueness.

reply to post by jhill76


"thus the vagueness."

This is the reason i was asked to leave Sunday School as a child many Moons ago. I guess i just require answers im not ready for, then again i do know that i Know nothing.

reply to post by andy06shake

This is the reason i was asked to leave Sunday School as a child many Moons ago. I guess i just require answers im not ready for, then again i do know that i no nothing.

I see many do not like when others question, because they cannot give you the answers. But, I can say, that Father takes special interest in those that ask questions and want to know more.

It is not a question of readiness, but finding someone who can give accurate answers.

reply to post by jhill76


John, like the other writers were under direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He was the "author", John only held the writing utensil. Much like if i have a secretary write a letter I dictate, she isn't the author, she was the transcriptionist.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Why would I be talking about pure angels singing any song of redemption? Redeemed means brought back into right relationship with God from a fallen state.

Correct, the ones above, were singing this song because of man coming back to Father.

Wrong, the singers were using personal pronouns. The significance of this in Greek is monumental, they were singing about themselves not others.

Re-read Revelation 4.

Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

"Fallen angels have no chance for redemption."

Why? Any senscient being can decide to be good, i think there for i am allows this. Why would God not wish redemption for a fallen Angel that wished to repent and take his side once again. What about the Nephilim, there half and half are they also beyond redemption?

I have said twice now. Christ never incarnated as an angel to die for their sins. Redemption comes through Christ. That's why man is offered redemption, the Son of God incarnated as a man and took all our sin upon Him and shed His blood for our sin. Same with the Nephilim, Yahshua never incarnated as a Nephilim to die for them either. Their unclean spirits are demons.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


"John, like the other writers were under direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He was the "author", John only held the writing utensil. Much like if i have a secretary write a letter I dictate, she isn't the author, she was the transcriptionist."

Automatic writing eh, dont mediums accomplish this, and are not mediums committing blasphemy by this very act? How come its ok for God to utilise this method of communication if its so easily accessible to demons?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

John, like the other writers were under direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He was the "author", John only held the writing utensil. Much like if i have a secretary write a letter I dictate, she isn't the author, she was the transcriptionist.

This is true. But, the writer can inject things of their own mind, or in such a rush to get it done, don't write all that is given. Once you can view this from a macro level, you will understand. The only way to verify this is: wait until the end to ask, or ask Father now.