Why doesn't the Obama administration talk about anti-Christian speech?

Originally posted by Hefficide

I was not aware that crisis management was a practice limited to liberalism or the left. You put out the fire first, and then you investigate for arson and find answers.

~Heff

You are absolutely correct.

Yet, radical Muslims do appear to be doing a rather good job of driving the agenda, while peaceful Christians are not.

reply to post by neo96


I agree. Blaming this video is like blaming the match that caused the gasoline to catch fire. But the whole debate over whether or not it's fair that Christians are being expected to take the higher road here is one for a later date.

As a Christian myself I say "I take the higher road because it's what my Savior told me to do". Politics are nothing when faced with my own dignity and sense of moral and religious responsibility.

~Heff

Originally posted by Hefficide

As a Christian myself I say "I take the higher road because it's what my Savior told me to do".

~Heff

And the problem is radical Muslims are doing what their prophet told them to do. Muhammad was a violent jihadist and the Koran and Hadith instruct Muslims to be the same.

Most Muslims tend to ignore the violent aspects of Islam, although they are aware of it.

Radical Muslims do not.

reply to post by Hefficide


Have you ever had a conversation with one of those religious zealots who carry around cardboard signs with a list of all the people going to hell? Or the ones who preach on the street corner about homosexuals and witches being damned? How did that go?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Look through my posting history. I've raised T-total hell about Fred Phelps. I hate stupidity in all forms.

~Heff

reply to post by ollncasino


I cannot disagree with that at all. Which is why I tend to stand up for the masses of Muslims who are simply trying to live their lives as they choose - and focus my disdain upon the zealots, on both sides of the issue. When a day comes when common people can address one another directly, without relying upon the select few to speak for us... then these issues might find mutual resolution.

The Internet and even ATS are steps in the right direction.

~Heff

Yet when a tv show like "Good Christian Bitches" is made, no one says anything.

Anti-Christian speech....well, the Christians believe in turning the other cheek....but aside from that...you mean something like this?




Yeah...though i am not religious, I have a problem with hypocrisy myself...what is good for the goose is good for the gander....

Why don't we just step up and say "Hello...welcome to the new Crusades"...and make that F'ing place glow in the dark?...I'm sick of this...we could end this by the end of next week, but no....we want to pretend that diplomacy can fix anything...and it cannot...sometimes...someone has to win and someone has to lose...it is the way of things.

Personally...I'm done with the radicals and extremists....you wanna see extreme...watch this flash till your eyes melt out....hope you have some iodine.

I think that the answer is simple.


When people say anti-Christian things, the Christians do no organize and start rioting and killing.

reply to post by CaptChaos


Slippery slope. We pride ourselves on being a nation with free speech. If we forbid these types of things we just end up with a Christian based form of Shariah law.

~Heff

NO ONE had shown where Obama or Clinton have defended anti-Islam speech. In fact, BOTH of them denounce anti-religious speech.

reply to post by Hefficide


I think if all Christians were like you, I'd have a lot less problems with them.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Here's what Hillary said:

I also want to take a moment to address the video circulating on the Internet that has led to these protests in a number of countries. Let me state very clearly – and I hope it is obvious – that the United States Government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its content and message. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. And as you know, we are home to people of all religions, many of whom came to this country seeking the right to exercise their own religion, including, of course, millions of Muslims. And we have the greatest respect for people of faith.

To us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage. But as I said yesterday, there is no justification, none at all, for responding to this video with violence. We condemn the violence that has resulted in the strongest terms, and we greatly appreciate that many Muslims in the United States and around the world have spoken out on this issue.

Exactly as I said in the original post. Blame the video. The video led to the protest. Half of the people protesting probably never saw the video. So now this video and this guy is to blame when we need to look at Middle East policies and why security wasn't beefed up at embassies around 9/11.

This is Hillary speaking for Obama. She's his Secretary of State. I know people do anything to protect Obama. So now, the Secretary of State doesn't have a President.

Show me where Obama or Hillary has defended Christians from speech from the left?

The video is a scapegoat for radical clerics and extremist to do these things and it's an excuse by Obama and the liberal media to avoid talking about Obama's Middle East policy and why security wasn't beefed up at Embassies around 9/11.

Originally posted by neoholographic

Exactly as I said in the original post. Blame the video. The video led to the protest.

Hillary Clinton didn't blame the video. She said it led to...

Look, If I step on a banana peel, slip and fall down; I don't blame the banana peel, I blame my lack of attention and clumsiness. However, it would be accurate to say the banana peel led to my slip and fall, as it was a contributing factor along the chain of events.

reply to post by neoholographic


I really don't understand your issue with what she said. She denounced the movie. Is that your problem? She also denounced the attackers. This particular comment of hers is about this movie and the attacks that followed. How can she NOT talk about Islam? That's what the movie is about and the people who are attacking say they are Muslim. She denounces BOTH. I don't get the problem.

I don't BLAME the movie, if that's what you're suggesting. I blame the people who attacked.

Your OP asks why Obama and Hillary don't talk about anti-Christian speech AND THEY DO!

I hold the same opinion as Cenk Uygur: Video

reply to post by LeatherNLace


Oh, for Christ's sake! That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! Thanks for explaining, though. Jesus, talk about parsing words! Where is the sense here? Of course the video is not at fault. But it did lead to the attacks. Without the video, there wouldn't be attacks. (More likely, these extremists would have found another reason to attack.)

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Where have they talked about anti-christian speech from the Left?

Again, this isn't about a You Tube video. It's about Obama's Middle East policies. It's about their support of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So the video is a scapegoat to say, these attacks are not against the United States, there about a video which is a flat out lie.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't BLAME the movie, if that's what you're suggesting. I blame the people who attacked.

ABSOLUTELY!!


As for 'anti-christian' speech ... and 'anti-christian' terrorist attacks ... they are happening all over the planet. Mass murders of Christians by Muslims and by the Chinese Gov't, etc etc. But for some reason, it is something that the POTUS ... (be it Clinton or Bush43 or Obama) seems to not want to get into.