Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan), page 54


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reply posted on 19-11-2012 @ 02:37 PM by EnkiTheKing
reply to post by darkhorserider



The beef with jurisdiction wasn't abiding by its rules and regs. It was with a jurisdiction being a majority of one religious belief influencing your views in masonry and life in general. I believe one can be in a majority christian jurisdiction and still be open minded about the universe. I don't feel anyone has to withhold their beliefs or ideas from the lodge just because of the W.'.M.'. or majority of brothers being one religious majority. I do believe a religious majority in a lodge does effect the ideas of masonry on new initiates which is dangerous (in my opinion)


reply posted on 19-11-2012 @ 02:58 PM by darkhorserider
reply to post by EnkiTheKing



I agree there is a strong Christian bias in Masonry in most Lodges, but I don't believe it is a negative thing. However, if I believed the same as you believe, my experience would likely be different and perhaps I would agree with you. I have a feeling your religious views are not accepted well in the Lodge, and that is a shame. As long as you believe in the one, ever-living creator, then your views should be welcome, but religion is a funny thing, people get really cuckoo about their religion.

I don't know enough about your religion to formulate and educated opinion, but I feel the Christian religion has just as many shortcomings as your religion or any other popular religion. People have a hard time differentiating between the one Creator and all of the subsequent prophets, leaders, and founders of the religions that followed.

Just this very weekend I was considering scheduling a baptism for myself, but I don't want to accept Christ as my savior or join a church, I just want to have the experience like John the Baptist provided and like Jesus himself would have had. There is no reason a preacher could not perform such a service, but very few of them are willing to do so, and I believe the reason is they don't understand their own religion adequately enough.

Still, your strongpoint is that you are not violating any of the laws or regulations governing Freemasonry with your beliefs. You need to stick with that, and not say that you won't submit to the laws of your jurisdiction. If you want to be a voluntary member of the jurisdiction, then you necessarily must follow the governing body. Stick with the argument that you are indeed following the those laws, and it is the other brothers that are violating their obligations by being partial to one religion over another.


reply posted on 19-11-2012 @ 09:15 PM by ExuLucifer
reply to post by darkhorserider




If you actually take to the time to actually read what he wrote he never said anything about this so called assertion of breaking laws.


reply posted on 20-11-2012 @ 05:21 AM by hymey
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus



The devil or Satan are not new testament concepts.The devil is mentioned from Genesis to revelations and also in Jewish and Islamic texts.


reply posted on 20-11-2012 @ 07:44 AM by darkhorserider
reply to post by ExuLucifer



I'm probably the only guy here anywhere near understanding or defending you or Enki, but let's not be dishonest or sugarcoat things. He said what he said.

Fuk jurisdictions, they mean nothing.


I'm not bound by what a "jusidiction" wants.


I can't see several of his other posts that were removed, but he did indeed say he wasn't bound by the laws of his jurisdiction, even though he voluntarily took an obligation that says otherwise. So is he an honorable man of his word or not? Did he lie at the obligation, or lie in this thread?


reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 11:21 AM by KSigMason
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I'm still waiting for hymey to respond to my posts, but I doubt you'll get anything. Probably just a drive-by troll post.

reply to post by ExuLucifer


So you're a relativist?
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