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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by willrush
.. but i just want an agreement on the way to god is in loving him.. and trusting him..
I disagree with all of your post execpt this, which we are in agreement on.
L. Lucifer "morning star," lit. "light-bringing," from lux (gen. lucis) "light" (see light (n.)) + ferre "carry" (see infer). Belief that it was the proper name of Satan began with its use in Bible to translate Gk. Phosphoros
plural of L. illuminatus "enlightened" (in figurative sense), pp. of illuminare (see illumination)
Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
reply to post by network dude
I'm not a Freemason (I could admit it if I was, as I've known Freemasons who have openly admitted their membership), but I certainly know a lot about it. I like to read.
I don't necessarily agree, personally, on the kind of secrecy and exclusivity the Freemasons have, but who am I to say they shouldn't have those things? I would just, myself, rather be as transparent as possible to others, without secrets.
But, what I do know about Freemasons is this: It seems like a lot of long, rather dull rituals (or whatever they're called, no offense), and it seems to boil down to a bunch of guys getting together for different innocuous reasons. The anti-Mason people seems to distort these rituals and things into making them appear "Satanic" or whatever they believe.
Well, having read a lot on Freemasonry (most of which I would never talk about in public, having respect for a group that prefers secrecy), and about it's history, and also having read anti-Masonic literature, I can pretty much say that any claims of evil intentions by the Freemasons is ridiculous. They seem to loosely connect dots, pick and choose, and overall make up facts to support their theories.
Unless someone can show me real, tangible evidence that Freemasons worship Satan, I'll apologize now. It's a load of hoo-ha-ha.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
That's great but which God are you referring to? Baphomet?
Originally posted by r2d246
Also I was more refering to what he gets into in the next couple minutes about Robbert Pike. Thats what I wanted people to watch. He said Robert Pike was a satan worshipor and also the most honored mason in all of history.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
That's great but which God are you referring to? Baphomet?
I have no idea how you think but when I refer to God I am talking about God, you know, the creator of the Universe. How many omnipotent beings are there?
Originally posted by r2d246
Not like what you see on tv or movies. He explains that it's just an addiction one gets to blood once they reach very high levels of satanism and they have to choose that.
And when they do they get some kind of demon possession which causes them to crave blood all the time. That's not outragous what so ever!
That to me is perfectly logical as to what kinds of things happen at high levels of satanism. Who do you think the illuminati are? And where do you think there power comes from? They're not just a bunch of rich dudes trust me, there demon possessed at that level, and the demons give them power to control others as well as give them all the powers they need to create the top down power structure we have in the world. Again it's outrageous to someone who knows nothing about the occult or demons or anything.
If he was claiming some bizzare like that he was bigfoot or an alien than you might have to wonder. But he's explaination of vampirizm is plausable.
There's been thousands of reported cases of vampire type activity all around the world. Not super power stuff but just basically blood drinking and strange people, anything from Vlad the impailer to all kinds of people drinking blood. Why would anyone do that if they didn't have some kind of strange thing going on within them?
Just that hollywood has fictionalized vampires to get people thinking there these all powerful type undead creatures. Hollywood fictionalizes everything that way after we watch it were hypnotised to think that, "because I seen it as fiction it could never be fact". It's BS, it's brainwashing.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
"The Great Architect of the Universe" is a bit vague. The god of Masonry is a "generic" god. His label is blank, so if you want to write in Allah or Krishna...
...or even Satan, you could do so.
Are you talking about the God of the Bible?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Are you talking about the God of the Bible?
No. I believe the Old Testament God to be a vile, jealous scumbag and the New Testament version to be a co-opted fairy tale taken from earlier mythologies.
Well there's the answer right there... at least you're honest.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Well there's the answer right there... at least you're honest.
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
You do know that Albert Pike in "Morals and Dogma" said Baphomet and Mendes were his gods.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
You do know that Albert Pike in "Morals and Dogma" said Baphomet and Mendes were his gods.
Is that so? Maybe you can post the quote. I read the book, did you?
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
"The Gnostics held that it [universal agent] composed the igneous [pertaining to fire] body of the Holy Spirit, and it was adored in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple under the hieroglyphic figure of Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes ." Pike, op. cit., p. 734
What exactly would be Bills incentive to lie about them?
He backs up nearly everything he claims with some facts. It's not just his personal opinions.
They just are niave as they haven't made it high enough in there ranks to know.
I've also hear the same thing from other sources that the reason the 33rd degree is hard to obtain is because that's the inner circle.
Once your close to that level you already know what's going on. But then at that level they make it official to you that they worship satan.