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reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 12:38 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by autowrench


I actually drew someone's attention to that point lately. They were prattling about the "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost", and I asked them, "Do you even understand what those are? Where they come from? Their importance?"

I didn't get an intelligible original response.

The fact is that, just like every other sacred trinity in history, father/son/ghost represents three very important aspects of life:

Father = Mind

Son = Flesh

Holy Ghost = Spirit


When all three are in balance, that is when you are healthy. There is a reason that 3 is a good number in the Hebrew lifestyle.


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 03:37 PM by jiggerj
reply to post by DeadSeraph



Thanks for your reply So why not call yourself an agnostic? Do you get some kind of special decoder ring or badge for the atheist title?


You're welcome. I really enjoy this topic. I'm an atheist because I don't believe (zip, zero, zilch) in any biblical god. Sometimes my body trembles knowing that so many people believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, invisible being who created the whole universe, and who lives in another dimension called heaven.



Curious about your statement that absolute nothing has ever existed. Are you implying that the Universe is eternal, and cyclical? Could you clarify your opinons on the origin of the Universe for me? I'd be interested in hearing more



You can add zero plus zero through out all of eternity and it is always going to come up zero. There can not exist a space with nothing in it. If you suck everything out of a plastic bottle it will collapse. There is no reason to think that space wouldn't collapse if there were absolutely nothing in it. I believe the reason for the existence for the universe is so very simple.

It's a matter of default. Meaning, if it can be said that a cloth is not dry, then by default it must be in some state of wetness. If it can be said that a baseball is not stationary, then by default it must be in some form of motion, even if it is sitting in the trunk of a moving car.

Now, if it can be said that there is no such thing as a state of absolute nothing, then by default there must be a state of something. And that something is energy. If you blow up a balloon, the air inside is causing pressure against the sides. That pressure is energy. In space, I have no idea what the energy was before it transformed into matter, but it was there.

Just by the mere fact that there is space, it means there's something. Space is not nothing.


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 04:06 PM by jiggerj
reply to post by DeadSeraph




Could you clarify your opinons on the origin of the Universe for me?


My opinion is that when Edwin Hubble figured out that if we reverse all of the galaxies that can be seen, they would come together into a singularity. But, we have a hard time with the concept of BIG. We think our planet's big, but it is so tiny compared to planets like Antares.



So, we really have no concept on just what Big is until we actually see it.

Below is an image I made that is just an example that shows how much of the universe Hubble saw in order to determine his theory on the the singularity.



He couldn't fathom what might lay beyond what his telescope could see. Look at everything outside the red ring I made, and imagine even more galaxies going on and on and on and on.



We can't possibly know or believe that EVERYTHING came from ONE singularity. If there was a Big Bang, then it was actually a little bang, maybe a black hole that burst, that created THIS tiny region of the universe. With other little bangs popping up like popcorn throughout the unknown parts of the universe.



reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 04:27 PM by jiggerj
reply to post by DeadSeraph


Also, to confirm, are you saying that you do not believe consciousness is possible outside of the physical realm? How would you reconcile this idea with the effect it has on quantum physics?

Scientists have a nickname for the workings in the quantum world. They call it 'quantum weirdness'. Why do they call it that? Because they don't understand it yet. So, for anyone to assume intelligent consciousness before we fully understand it, well, it's just way too premature. And, wrong.

You just got an idea. While you work on it in your head, you apply reason to make sure that your idea is logical. Tell me, where in the conscious nothingness is the compartment that holds 'reason'?

With your idea, you call up memories from past experiences to see if they fit into your idea. Tell me, where in the conscious nothingness is the compartment that holds memories?

Also, in the conscious nothingness what is used in place of the synapses that move the 'reason' and the memories in your brain to the other part of your brain that is working on the idea?

In a computer, there are memory chips, processing units, and there are wires that carry information from one application to the next.

And, we're to accept that there's a consciousness with NONE of these physical attributes? No. I don't buy it for one second.


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 05:57 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by borntowatch


How would you feel about the human race if billions of grown adults believed in the all-powerful earth? No matter where you went people would say things like, Praise the earth. The earth works in mysterious ways. The earth loves you.


You mean all the pagans that the Church slaughtered, before taking their traditions and beliefs and incorporating them into its own philosophies?

I'd say that's a pretty hefty compliment paid to the worshippers of the Earth. At least they didn't destroy it and each other for the sake of "Whose god is bigger and badder". And you want to sit here and ridicule it?

You know nothing of what you speak.


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 08:32 PM by ResearchEverything777
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans Ch. 1




reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 10:08 PM by Cogito, Ergo Sum
reply to post by ResearchEverything777


Absolute religious drivel (IMO).

I am quite thankful that there is no such thing as this anthropomorphic, spiteful, primitive and insane god, outside of religious delusion. His word seems to suspiciously echo what we might expect from some ancient uptight and illiterate religious nazi. He sounds like the god of sexual repression. About as tolerant, compassionate and intelligent as your average viper.

Ever had a truly original thought regarding spirituality? What is consciousness? What is a simple thought, where does it originate, what is an emotion? How do they work, do they work together? Do you put thoughts there, or do they just appear on there own? Could you stop them if you wanted to? Do you have deep understanding of your relationships? What is the mind? What is compassion, ever studied yourself everyday to see it in action, to see how it operates, to see if you even have it? Take a year, as much time as you need, reflect on it every day?

How does matter become alive? How does it become conscious? What exactly is matter? What is energy? What does science say on it, what do you say from your own observations? Why are some creatures (not just humans) capable of great selfless virtue? Evolution? Why can there be such conflict between our instincts and what we know to be right? Do you love anyone, hate anyone? Why? Do you forgive easily, or does it cause hurt, ever studied it in yourself? Ever tried meditation or discipline from some other tradition, just out of curiosity, to see what happens, as a way to gain any possible knowledge of yourself or the universe? Perhaps none of these things matter? What is truth, from your own observations and experience, aside from what your book says? Is it within, come from outside? Is there a truth at all? Where, how, why?

Ever wondered how people fall for cults and their doctrines? The processes and psychology involved? Ever taken the time to find out? It is one of the most fascinating subjects of all.

Do you search on your own, whether it conflicts with your book or not, or just accept what is given to you in this very "iffy" book of pseudo wisdom and myths?


edit on 24-9-2012 by Cogito, Ergo Sum because: for the heck of it.



reply posted on 25-9-2012 @ 03:03 PM by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Sailor Sam


They are all the different sides of one thing - although admittedly, the different sides have become warped over the years, due to the people advocating them. If you weren't always looking out one tiny window, you would see that.
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