The thing is, it works, we're all here and now, talking about "mid control" and "micro waves" placing voices in out heads and the truth is, there is actually less evidence to support anyone has managed it, in any genuine sense of the word, than there is that, UFOs are nut and bolts craft piloted by an unknown intelligence.
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Have you been in touch with Kit Green?
I haven't wanted to bother him until I've done some more homework - but I keep getting tempted to see if he will answer a few questions (e.g. in relation to a thread I've been planning about a searchable archive of CIA documents about UFOs akin to the thread I posted about an archive of the FBI's UFO documents)...
I am absolutely positive he will reply to any of your communications.
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by OkabeRintaro
Well, the interesting bit about this is that we're talking about psyops techniques documented in the public domain. I guess if you wanted to run into intelligence operatives performing psyops in the UFO community, your best bet would be to run counter-psyops of your own.
Boy oh boy I like the sound of that. They have sharp little infected teeth though. Tar-babies. Something along the lines that Doc Jock (Vallee) postulated--and was apparently implemented by some element--in regards manipulating the "control system" but back at 'em....
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So we have to ask ourselves how we can tell people what they deserve to know and, maybe, what they need to know?
'The way to do it is to construct a framework whereby they can parse out the things that they've heard that are not true, and you whittle it down to a manageable story. A story like this: "There were three spaceships that came here over thirty years, and we've got one of them. We can't figure out how it works, we've crashed it because there's a lot of physics that we've still got to learn. We do have something that's like a magnethydrodynamic toroid, and it really did get a craft of the ground, but it smelled bad and it killed a couple of pilots. And we're really sorry about that, but we did it because we've got this machine that came from another planet, and we need to know how it works." '
Oh god, he just did it again. I tried to slow my breathing to prevent the giddiness from becoming a full-on panic attack.
Kit carried on, oblivious to my inner struggle. I was glad not to be inside one of his MRI machines.
'How do you tell people that story? If it's true?' he added, almost parenthetically.
"If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they'd get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years.You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."
In a nutshell: Our community--the ufological community that is--has been used as a control group, for, wait for it...mind control as relates to national security issues.
Originally posted by DarkTemplar101
...As others have suggested that "Once in the Agency, Always in the Agency..." may be the case with some of the "birds", then isn't it also safe to say that there may be (or once were) a few "rotten apples" so to speak among them? Or even more realistically, ALL of them if their prime directives were or once Ufological deception?...
...Again, I could be way off, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I were to guess I'd say it was a mixed bag. Some probably had good intentions, some didn't, some deviated from the plan for their own reasons or gain, and some may have been playing both sides.
As posted on the Austin MUFON website and recently confirmed by Jones, he claimed during his presentation to believe writer/researcher and friend Michael Drosnin was targeted by the FBI with an incapacitating electronic mind control device. Jones further claimed he advised Dr. John Gibbons, science advisor to President Clinton during the time in question, of such matters.
Jones informed Gibbons, "There are reasons to believe that some government group has interwoven research about this (mind control) technology with alleged UFO phenomena. If that is correct, you can expect to run into early resistance when inquiring about UFOs, not because of the UFO subject, but because that has been used to cloak research and applications of mind-control activity.”
When asked if he continues to think the UFO subject cloaks mind control research and applications, Jones replied, "I think that the UFO/ET subject has been used to cloak a number of classified U.S.programs that certainly includes mind control. It probably has been used more often to confuse and disguise aerospace weapon systems than other subjects. It has been particularly effective when there is a presumed close relationship between what is trying to be protected and assumptions about characteristics associated with UFOs and ETs.
Originally posted by Gazrok
I'd agree that mind control was certainly part of it, just as any propaganda or disinformation effort is, seeking to make a group believe what you want them to believe...but to what end?
Do you feel they created the whole mythos (captured EBE, Yellow Book, etc.) just to test out mind control theory as an end in and of itself?
Or, is there something else entirely, like a mix of truth and fiction to make the inevitable reveal more palatable?
I have to think both ideas have the same chance of being accurate.
"Another category of concern is against whom non-lethal weapons might be employed," writes Alexander with his characteristically blithe understatement.
"Paranoia is running rampant in the United States. We have addressed the militia movements and surprising widespread support that conspiracy theories receive."
"Distrust of the government by not thousands but tens of millions of US citizens is confirmed in public opinion surveys," he continues. "The skepticism and controversy has been fueled by recent revelations that the US government has routinely lied to the people about such varied topics as human radiation experiments, withholding treatment in the Tuskegee prison syphilis experiments, the oppressive actions of the Internal Revenue Service, the amount and geographic area covered by fallout from nuclear testing, and even UFO sightings."
"Many of these conspiracy theory adherents believe that the government -- or some other supranational organization -- is attempting to take freedom away from the citizens. Some of them see non-lethal weapons as tools to facilitate those objectives. They believe that these weapons could be used to enslave them for some unstated nefarious purpose." Don't worry, says Alexander reassuringly, everything's under control. You just don't know how much.
"The fallacy of this logic should be readily apparent," he continues. "Sufficient force already exists to accomplish this task. Therefore no new non-lethal weapons would be necessary."
"Please be advised that the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit of the Scientific and Technical Branch, Counter Intelligence Directorate, Department of the Army, was disestablished during the late 1950’s and never reactivated. All records pertaining to this unit were surrendered to the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) in conjunction with operation "Bluebook”.
We regret that we are unable to be of more assistance concerning this matter."
Originally posted by Gazrok
Thing is, the sheer effort involved with completely doing this from scratch (and at the time when they were revealed), is a pretty big one, especially with the level of consistency in the timeline of events.
That's why I lean to it being more fact than fiction, and more truth peppered with enough lies to make it deniable.
...By the time Turing, Fleming, Wheatley and kindred British intellects had perfected the Double-Cross System, the science of lying was almost as precise as Euclidian geometry, and nearly as lovely to the detached observer.
What the Double-Cross experts had invented was the practical political applications of the Strange Loop. In logic or cybernetics, a Strange Loop is a set of propositions that, while valid at each point, is so constructed that it leads to an unresolvable paradox. The Double-Cross people drove the Germans bonkers by inventing disinformation systems that, if believed, were deceptive, but if doubted led to a second disinformation system. They enjoyed this work so much that, at times, they invented Triple Loops...
These Strange Loops functioned especially well because the Double-Cross experts had early on fed the Germans the primordial Strange Loop. "Most of your agents are working for us and feeding your Strange Loops."
Many German agents, it later turned out, had managed to collect quite a bit of accurate information about the Normandy invasion, but many others turned in equally plausible information about a fictitious Norwegian invasion; and all of them were under suspicion, anyway. German Intelligence might as well have made its decisions by tossing a coin in the air."
--Robert Anton Wilson
In whose hands and in what time-frame can we first trace the specific MJ-12 information
Were NIDS and Bigelow Aerospace funded as a black budget CIA project to prevent scrutiny and accountability?
...They did the same thing to Bennewitz when they gave him the $75,000 dollar grant to conduct research. In both cases they get access to both my dad's and Paul's files and then the gain they most important thing which is control. My dad did not immediately sign the non-disclosure agreement when he started working with NIDS. The waited until he was in the middle of a lot of strange things before they made him sign it. It is a big key to this mystery. NIDS did the same thing to MUFON, throw money at the "problem", see what the have and pay them so they can control what information is going in and more importantly control what is going out. If you know the NIDS story, a ton of information went in, but nothing relevant or important ever came out. I'll let you think about that for a while and you should be able to figure out why this happened.
True and False Memories as an Illustrative Case of the Difficulty of Developing Accurate and Practical Neurophysiological Indexes of Psychological States
An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories. Earlier work examining behavioral differences between true and false memories revealed that group differences were sometimes found (for example, more sensory details in true-memory reports) (Schooler et al., 1986). However, the statistical group differences did not enable reliable classification of any particular memory report as to its authenticity...