Originally posted by truejew
The following disagrees with a pre-trib rapture.
"21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days
should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo,
here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is
in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even
unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from
heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of
the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a
great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matthew 24:21-32
Also in the parable of the 10 virgins, the five foolish virgins did not get a second chance at salvation.
I'm not sure why you think any of these verses disagree with a pre-tribulation rapture. The question is whether or not anyone else will become saved
after the rapture to become part of the elect. If you don't think so, then you still have the 144,000 (12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel) with
the seal of God on them that will be here and can still be considered the "elect" as outlined in Revelation 7.
Let's take a closer look at the 144,000 with the seal of God on them.
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred
and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Now in Revelation 15, notice who the ones are that are holding harps and singing a song.
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark,
and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just
and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
So, even if you think that there is no rapture and that no one is given a second chance, the "elect" can easily be explained by the 144,000.
Unfortunately, your verses do not prove that there is no "rapture" based on the fact that it uses the term "elect".
edit on 14-8-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)