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Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by Deetermined
Jesus spoke as if the Church was there during the tribulation.
There are no second chances.
There is no actual text with that word in it that I am referring to.
The Greek word is "aeon" which is "age"... the end of an age, not the world as in destruction of the planet. Its the end of the age of human government.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew
Do you have any Bible verses you can share in order to make your point?
You don't think Matthew 24 and the parable of the 10 virgins are Bible verses?
I agree, this is the question.
The question is whether or not anyone else will become saved after the rapture to become part of the elect.
The problem with that is the proponents of the John Darby pre-tribulation rapture theory believe that the Christians are replaced by Jews who like the mean, killer Messiah and become (by their belief in that manifestation) the gods of the earth who everyone not of their "pure" blood must serve as slaves and pay annual tribute to.
I agree with Druscilla, I wouldnt shed a tear if all the Christians were beamed up sooner rather than later.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by ResearchEverything777
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Source ( King James )
It will remain a guessing game right up until the question is answered, IMO.
~Heff
This has nothing to do, as far as I can tell, with my comments that had to do with the prophecy in Luke, and the event described in 1 Thessalonians.
You must notice the difference in the 2 main groups (Context)
" Full Number " is an interpretive type translation in the English version, of the Greek word, pleroma. You could just as easily translate it as 'till the nations have achieved a fullness from entering in'.
Romans 11:25 Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,
" Full Number " of Gentile Believer's Come's IN. = Church = Age of Grace.
Jews, what?
Revelation 6 - 18 Mainly Jews - And Rest of World Population!
So?
Last Warning To The " Churches " Rev. 3:22
No, caught up in the spirit, not a Rapture, and John in no way "represents" the church.
"John Representing The Church " Is Caught UP " Rev. 4:1-2
So?
Revelation Ch. 7 Are the tribulation saints...From All Nations and People Groups
That was probably written before the idea of a Catholic Church, and "churches" meant individual congregations. They probably ha another term like Body of Christ, or just the Congregation of the Lord.
Church Is NOT MENTIONED! You Have The 2 Witnesses and The 144,000 Representing THE LORD!
Saints will be there, Jesus NEVER said the "church" (ekklesia).
The tribulation of Matthew 24 was fulfilled when Jerusalem fell and the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD.
The context of Matthew 24 is the Jews who will come to saving faith during the great tribulation. See Hosea 5:15.
In prophetical language mountains are associated with kingdoms or empires.
Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by Deetermined
"16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV)
Does "with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" sound like your secret pre-trib rapture?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Saints will be there, Jesus NEVER said the "church" (ekklesia).
You would not expect to see it because the word was never used in that way until you get to Ephesians, which represents a later development of theology after Paul's death.
Revelation has to be an earlier writing which predates that evolution of terminology.edit on 14-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The tribulation of Matthew 24 was fulfilled when Jerusalem fell and the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD.
The context of Matthew 24 is the Jews who will come to saving faith during the great tribulation. See Hosea 5:15.
Hosea 5:15 is about being carried off to the Assyria and Babylonian exiles.edit on 14-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: add Bible quote: "For the creation eagerly waits for the revelation of the sons of God." Romans 8:19
None of that makes it not secret, according to the article in the Rapture Ready web site.
Who said the rapture would be a "secret"? Millions of people go missing suddenly it might make the evening news.
Jesus uses the term "ekklesia" in the gospels when talking to Peter.