reply to post by swan001
That is a lie. The NWO is not against Christianity. If you dare say "God = Dog" or "Jesus = Sex" on the television, you'll never hear the end of
it. The media will paint you in the most negative light just for stating your opinion.
Did you know that the government spend tax money on megachurches?
Did you know that China was painted in our media as "banning the bible" and "hating christians" even though christianity was a very large growing
religion in 2011? WAKE UP!
For Adults who refuse to grow up, Evolution is the Adult version for real magic, page 7
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 03:52 AM by borntowatch
Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Originally posted by borntowatch
You sound just like a fundamentalist
I think it called truth seeking by study of all the available evidence and sticking to reality and knowing when to toss out departures from reality. One applies all the archiological records, genetics, scientific method, and doesn't snap up balogna that rejects the grinder.
It all works fine, doesn't need Jesus to be god, and Jesus the Man works pretty well, especially when you appreciate reality.
An interesting genetic record in support of evolution:
www.guardian.co.uk...
Scientists reconstruct genetic makeup of 50,000-year-old girl
Opps, gues that just blew the 6,000 year old story.
When one doesn't get stuck in the rut of one book that omits so much, one finds the reasonable history.
One finds interesting things like why Mt. Carmel was so important and just who Elijah was and why he was so like Enoch. Mt. Carmel was really a first temple theme, as Elijah was a nearly genetic clone of the creator gods. Mt. Carmel started so much of the mystery schools origins. Jesus learned from these associations, and he knew what the Sons of Zadok was about with the original Solomon's temple and how the sacrifice issues started. One learns much more of the story when one goes and reads everything one can find from various sources.
Learning the history is hard work, and Christians are very lazy in general and just follow the Yellow Brick road to find a faked up story.
edit on 31-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Christian vapidity due to being to lazy to dig deeply for the truth
What surprises me is how adamant you feel about how right you are.
Not maybe right, not possibly or even mostly. You have a religious type fervour about how unquestionably right the science the evidence and the scientists are.
Its beyond simple faith, its beyond religious faith. Its creepy. Digging deeply is good, just make sure you arnt finding what others buried to make you look like a fool.
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 03:57 AM by borntowatch
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by swan001
That is a lie. The NWO is not against Christianity. If you dare say "God = Dog" or "Jesus = Sex" on the television, you'll never hear the end of it. The media will paint you in the most negative light just for stating your opinion.
Did you know that the government spend tax money on megachurches?
Did you know that China was painted in our media as "banning the bible" and "hating christians" even though christianity was a very large growing religion in 2011? WAKE UP!
The NWO is flowers unicorns and fairy floss
The mega churches are not Christian and China
You are a little silly to sweety www.youtube.com...
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 06:58 AM by arpgme
reply to post by borntowatch
If the NWO run the media, why do you think they allow such news stories to be put on there? Obviously, they want people to dislike China.
So, you showed me a "CBS" news clip. Congratulations, that doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a very well thriving and GROWING religion in China. China spends billions making bibles. Even some bibles in America are "Made by China".
I am just looking at TRUTH, you are trying to defend your BELIEFS, which is why you call me "silly", you have to attack my character (ad hominem) because you can not disprove what I said.
By the way, if those mega-churches are preaching from the bible - then they are Christian.
If the NWO run the media, why do you think they allow such news stories to be put on there? Obviously, they want people to dislike China.
So, you showed me a "CBS" news clip. Congratulations, that doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a very well thriving and GROWING religion in China. China spends billions making bibles. Even some bibles in America are "Made by China".
I am just looking at TRUTH, you are trying to defend your BELIEFS, which is why you call me "silly", you have to attack my character (ad hominem) because you can not disprove what I said.
By the way, if those mega-churches are preaching from the bible - then they are Christian.
edit on 2-9-2012 by arpgme because: added more
detail
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 11:12 AM by MagnumOpus
Originally posted by borntowatch
What surprises me is how adamant you feel about how right you are.
Not maybe right, not possibly or even mostly. You have a religious type fervour about how unquestionably right the science the evidence and the scientists are.
Its beyond simple faith, its beyond religious faith. Its creepy. Digging deeply is good, just make sure you arnt finding what others buried to make you look like a fool.
Oh get real, what amazes most of the world is how easy it is for the Christians to loose grasp of reality if it happens to say something in this political book. A Christian's mind literally falls out if someone said god did this or that.
Christians need to listen to half the world when they call you Infidels and not buck and call them bad names.
The only thing creepy is how the religious mind switch hits between crazy ideas and reality.
Most know that when the book tells something beyond reality they are speaking in allegory terms and not literal, but the Christians take even the tallest of tales as literal.
What is more, they don't seem to notice that this political book undermines Govts., by claiming the god scheme of the church comes over and above the Govt. Such is sedition and is why this book exists for a political purpose and gain. The church likes to paint itself and its members as god and then tell this is supreme and above state and self. Which means this Christian Crazy talking non-sense is a threat to the national securty of the US in lots of ways, to include dragging the US into wars over these made up con games in the Bible.
There is no other way to see those that believe in such literal nonsense as being those devoid of rational minds and making problems in the world via loss of rational truth. Christian Crazy Talk on religion is exactly what these inflated non-sense stories are about and this is the political game of the Roman Bible Narrative to use that to gain control over foreign lands.
What little good story there was about Jesus has been perverted for political games by the religious state of Rome and that should be obvious and nobody should fall into those trappings.
The Christians should follow their advice to others and apply it full force on their own words about the non-sense burried in the bible's tales:
just make sure you arnt finding what others buried to make you look like a fool.
The Bible itself makes Christians the fool and it tells this in the book itself that the church will be the political church and this is the Roman Bible worship game and its ship of fools. It even goes so far as to tell these religious finatics will be taken into the heaven in the sky, like the smoke of burnt offerings, as the real truth returns. Heaven has never been in the sky except for fake religion beliefs and Jesus and company wanted heaven on Earth via the explantions of the truth of what was obvious non-sense political games and what was spoken in allegory and why.
So, I think with most of the world seeing the Christian's Crazy talk for what it is, the trend will continue till either the fantasic lies stop or the wars kill off the nutty persons starting the wars over religious nonsense.
Christians will encounter a wall of folks telling them of their Crazy Talk and it will originate with the findings of the creator gods were not gods at all. More like intelligent being slavers, and those that buy into the god them enslave themselves in their own mental trappings taken them back to slavery of the gods of Anu.
You will find more making these productions and waking folks up to what occured and what is religious Crazy Talk.
www.youtube.com...
You will find it will intensify, so much that Christians will discovery they arrived in hell, as the world calls them bad names, and they gain no respect from anyone.
edit on 2-9-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Find truth from archiology, and ancient writings, and the Christian and Jewish gods were not true
gods
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 06:01 PM by borntowatch
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by borntowatch
If the NWO run the media, why do you think they allow such news stories to be put on there? Obviously, they want people to dislike China.
So, you showed me a "CBS" news clip. Congratulations, that doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a very well thriving and GROWING religion in China. China spends billions making bibles. Even some bibles in America are "Made by China".
I am just looking at TRUTH, you are trying to defend your BELIEFS, which is why you call me "silly", you have to attack my character (ad hominem) because you can not disprove what I said.
By the way, if those mega-churches are preaching from the bible - then they are Christian.edit on 2-9-2012 by arpgme because: added more detail
The bible has been used for crusades, witch burnings and an assortment of lies. People can preach anything from the bible. The Chinese government control the church in China and its not free to preach the truth.
Mega church, the whole idea of mega church is not Christian
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 06:07 PM by borntowatch
Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Originally posted by borntowatch
What surprises me is how adamant you feel about how right you are.
Not maybe right, not possibly or even mostly. You have a religious type fervour about how unquestionably right the science the evidence and the scientists are.
Its beyond simple faith, its beyond religious faith. Its creepy. Digging deeply is good, just make sure you arnt finding what others buried to make you look like a fool.
Oh get real, what amazes most of the world is how easy it is for the Christians to loose grasp of reality if it happens to say something in this political book. A Christian's mind literally falls out if someone said god did this or that.
Christians need to listen to half the world when they call you Infidels and not buck and call them bad names.
The only thing creepy is how the religious mind switch hits between crazy ideas and reality.
Most know that when the book tells something beyond reality they are speaking in allegory terms and not literal, but the Christians take even the tallest of tales as literal.
What is more, they don't seem to notice that this political book undermines Govts., by claiming the god scheme of the church comes over and above the Govt. Such is sedition and is why this book exists for a political purpose and gain. The church likes to paint itself and its members as god and then tell this is supreme and above state and self. Which means this Christian Crazy talking non-sense is a threat to the national securty of the US in lots of ways, to include dragging the US into wars over these made up con games in the Bible.
There is no other way to see those that believe in such literal nonsense as being those devoid of rational minds and making problems in the world via loss of rational truth. Christian Crazy Talk on religion is exactly what these inflated non-sense stories are about and this is the political game of the Roman Bible Narrative to use that to gain control over foreign lands.
What little good story there was about Jesus has been perverted for political games by the religious state of Rome and that should be obvious and nobody should fall into those trappings.
The Christians should follow their advice to others and apply it full force on their own words about the non-sense burried in the bible's tales:
just make sure you arnt finding what others buried to make you look like a fool.
The Bible itself makes Christians the fool and it tells this in the book itself that the church will be the political church and this is the Roman Bible worship game and its ship of fools. It even goes so far as to tell these religious finatics will be taken into the heaven in the sky, like the smoke of burnt offerings, as the real truth returns. Heaven has never been in the sky except for fake religion beliefs and Jesus and company wanted heaven on Earth via the explantions of the truth of what was obvious non-sense political games and what was spoken in allegory and why.
So, I think with most of the world seeing the Christian's Crazy talk for what it is, the trend will continue till either the fantasic lies stop or the wars kill off the nutty persons starting the wars over religious nonsense.
Christians will encounter a wall of folks telling them of their Crazy Talk and it will originate with the findings of the creator gods were not gods at all. More like intelligent being slavers, and those that buy into the god them enslave themselves in their own mental trappings taken them back to slavery of the gods of Anu.
You will find more making these productions and waking folks up to what occured and what is religious Crazy Talk.
www.youtube.com...
You will find it will intensify, so much that Christians will discovery they arrived in hell, as the world calls them bad names, and they gain no respect from anyone.
edit on 2-9-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Find truth from archiology, and ancient writings, and the Christian and Jewish gods were not true gods
Its not a sunday and I have to put up with a sermon, or is that a lecture.
Well the bible is wrong and the millions of deluded Christians are all gulible, and science is right. Cept we know you are wrong
Christianity just keeps going and lives keep changing, why? A dead man called Jesus.
This dead man crushes evolution and makes light of Dawkins and his ilk, exposes the lie humanity teaches. Atheists rant and reel at a dead man's teaching.
2000 years later and He still effects everyone to some degree.
Your opinion is irrelevant in context, sorry.
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 06:41 PM by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by borntowatch
Agreed on many points but Jesus is no mere man, he is the God who Was and Is and Is To Come.
Isaiah 44:6-8 [700+ years before birth of Jesus]
6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”
God is Alpha and Omega (First and the Last) + Jesus is Alpha and Omega = Jesus is God. God is the Savior + Jesus is the Savior = Jesus is God.
Isaiah 45:15 Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!
Revelation 1:10-18
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore
In order for Jesus to save us he had to come to this world to be dead (die), which is the world of the Dead to give us life again, and when he returned to Heaven he was alive again. This is what Rev. 1:18 is speaking about. He came to the world of the Dead to resurrect the spirits of those who believe in him.
So we can see, the OT confirms the NT. Mere man? No, Morelike God Almighty!
Christianity just keeps going and lives keep changing, why? A dead man called Jesus.
This dead man crushes evolution and makes light of Dawkins and his ilk, exposes the lie humanity teaches. Atheists rant and reel at a dead man's teaching.
2000 years later and He still effects everyone to some degree.
Your opinion is irrelevant in context, sorry.
Agreed on many points but Jesus is no mere man, he is the God who Was and Is and Is To Come.
Isaiah 44:6-8 [700+ years before birth of Jesus]
6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”
God is Alpha and Omega (First and the Last) + Jesus is Alpha and Omega = Jesus is God. God is the Savior + Jesus is the Savior = Jesus is God.
Isaiah 45:15 Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!
Revelation 1:10-18
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore
In order for Jesus to save us he had to come to this world to be dead (die), which is the world of the Dead to give us life again, and when he returned to Heaven he was alive again. This is what Rev. 1:18 is speaking about. He came to the world of the Dead to resurrect the spirits of those who believe in him.
So we can see, the OT confirms the NT. Mere man? No, Morelike God Almighty!
edit on 2-9-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason
given)
reply posted on 2-9-2012 @ 10:17 PM by arpgme
reply to post by borntowatch
Exactly, people can preach anything from the bible, so you can't know if you are reading it with the "right" interpretation anyway...
Also, it doesn't matter what you call the church, if it's preaching the bible - it's christian.
Exactly, people can preach anything from the bible, so you can't know if you are reading it with the "right" interpretation anyway...
Also, it doesn't matter what you call the church, if it's preaching the bible - it's christian.
reply posted on 3-9-2012 @ 04:34 AM by borntowatch
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by borntowatch
Exactly, people can preach anything from the bible, so you can't know if you are reading it with the "right" interpretation anyway...
Also, it doesn't matter what you call the church, if it's preaching the bible - it's christian.
According to you, and where I stand thats ludicrous.
reply posted on 3-9-2012 @ 08:09 AM by MagnumOpus
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by borntowatch
Exactly, people can preach anything from the bible, so you can't know if you are reading it with the "right" interpretation anyway...
Also, it doesn't matter what you call the church, if it's preaching the bible - it's christian.
According to you, and where I stand thats ludicrous.
And your platform is allegory and metaphore in composition, and with a drop of reality your beliefs become fantasy.
Is it possible for an atheist parent to not force the same belief on their children?
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