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Anti-Americanism and why

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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I love George.

Would love to hear YOUR take though..

Peace.




posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Siberbat

So, what will it be? Do we continue to help our allies and other nations across the world, or become isolationists?
Be careful what you ask for...for if your hatred is that strong for the USA, you just might get it.


Agreed for the most part. There are a number of factors that lends to the the trend. The desire to return to isolationism is among the most prominent reasons.

Following the war to end all wars, the US returned to remaining largely isolationists (the league of nations was all on wilson). The decimated Europe combined with a power vaccum is what set the stage for Hitler's ascension. Following WW2, the US was presented the same senario only this time Stalin was ready to pounce with a socialist dictatorship. The world has become to interconnected resulting from the tech boom coming out of the cold war for any chance at returning to an isolationist nation.
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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This is why :
An American police officer complains about not being able to carry a gun during a trip to Canada.

The culture in u.s. seems to think that everything can be
solved with guns.


This is a sick mental disorder. americans lack respect,
respect is earned not coerced by a gun barrel.
The globe is watching,
history will not be re-written, the world will not forget.
en.wikipedia.org...
u.s. gun culture has not changed, same atrocities as usual
en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by trysts
reply to post by sonnny1
 


Ummm...what about the fact that the U.S. government keeps murdering people by the millions around the world? Some of us are upset about that....

Our govt. doesn't murder millions around the world. Many of the deaths attributed to America aren't even our fault, at least not directly. And what about China? North Korea? Burma? Syria? Those countries don't murder people? America has made its fair share of mistakes, but the primary reason for most Anti-Americanism is the fact that the U.S. is the worlds leading superpower. The fact is, that if the E.U., or China, or India, or Russia, or any other country was the leading power/superpower, and had to make the kinds of hard decisions a superpower with a truly global reach does, "Anti-American" sentiment would turn into anti-china or anti-europe sentiment.
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by ToneDeaf
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This is why :
An American police officer complains about not being able to carry a gun during a trip to Canada.

The culture in u.s. seems to think that everything can be
solved with guns.


This is a sick mental disorder. americans lack respect,
respect is earned not coerced by a gun barrel.
The globe is watching,
history will not be re-written, the world will not forget.
en.wikipedia.org...
u.s. gun culture has not changed, same atrocities as usual
en.wikipedia.org...

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Don't talk about a country you clearly know nothing about. I live in America, most of the people I know, both friends and family, don't think you can solve the worlds problems with guns alone. We don't deserve respect? Our sacrifices for world freedom in the world wars means nothing? Where the hell do you get off complaining about Americans being ignorant and not deserving respect, when you have shown major ignorance by just plainly stereotyping all Americans. Oh, I have family who served in the Vietnam war. My Lai was a tragedy, but was not the norm. Take your ignorance elsewhere.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by binkman

Originally posted by neo96
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Lets get this straight the left of that era cut and run from Vietanam the battles were won by America but like I said already the Us has not fought any "War" with its full military might since ww2 the micro managing of Johnson is the same thing with the micro managing and stupid rules of engagement that we current saw in Iraq and Afghanistan and the left true to form cut and ran from Iraq and sure the hell doesn't know what it doing it Afghanistan.


YOU LOST THE VIETNAM WAR. YOU WERE RUN OUT OF VIETNAM BY THE NORTH VIETNAMESE DESPITE BRINGING ALL OF YOUR MILITARY ¨MIGHT¨ TO BEAR.

Stop trying to rewrite history, it´s a disgusting trait you Americans have.


Originally posted by neo96
But that isn't the military's fault that is the asinine,stupid civilian leadership to get straight to the point the US military has never lost a war.


Your troops could not fight in the jungle.

Funny, because at the same time, this thing called the Malaysian Emergency was going on, picture if you will, the same scenario, but in Malaysia. Communist groups, looking to overthrow the government. Britain managed to succeed with less than half the number of troops the US had in less than half the time. And Malaysia remains a stable democracy, unlike the Communist state of Vietnam.

Vietnam is not the same country as Malaysia. You cannot say that the British experience and the conditions in Malaysia are the same as the conditions in Vietnam. You clearly have only a basic understanding of the Vietnam war. The reason the U.S. lost was because we put a number of Army commanders in charge of the war effort who had trained to fight the Russians in Germany, not to fight Vietnamese insurgents in southeast Asia. Both the Marine Corps and the various special forces, organizations that had ample experience with both insurgency and counterinsurgency operations, put forward a number of plans that worked in their operating areas, that if applied in the whole of South Vietnam along with anticorruption campaigns, would have led to an eventual victory. BTW, the British Briggs plan, which worked so well in Malaysia, was a complete failure when applied in Vietnam. WE WERE NOT FORCED OUT OF VIETNAM BY NVA OR VC FORCES. The U.S. had, as of 1972 killed nearly twenty times as many enemy combatents as we had lost. By 1972, the strength of the VC had waned by two thirds, the South Vietnamese was finally beginning to launch successful land reform programs, and had begun to use militia in the villages to push NVA and VC forces out of much of South Vietnam. If the U.S. hadn't unilaterally cut off aid to our allies in Indo-China, the efforts of the ARVN forces would have like been succesful. Oh, and guess what, WE DIDN'T use our full military might in Southeast Asia. We didn't use nukes, didn't mobilize our whole economy for war, and didn't even invade North Vietnam. LEARN YOUR HISTORY YOU IGNORANT BIGOT BEFORE YOU START TALKING ABOUT IT. We can't fight in the jungle? So, how do you explain all of those succesful battles on TROPICAL JUNGLE ISLANDS during World War II against Japan? Do you think that was all canada or something?
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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You know what is funny, is that all of you are arguing about how sick or twisted america is. Let me inform you that it is not just America that is sick.
It is every "country"
every "nation" every single part of this divided world that is in decline.

We are all connected yet so separated. National Idealism's have infiltrated our minds and burrowed into our psyches. We compare ourselves to each and every person that is different. Let me remind you that we are a race of people that are connected, joined at the hip for the rest of eternity.

Our lives, however insignificant in hindsight, are interwoven throughout time.

Past, present and future.

Why not look at our world, our people, and focus on making our next step in evolution?

That of freedom.

Peace, that does not go hand in hand with War.

But true Peace.

Wake up and see that our world is much more than that which has been before us for so many years.

To feel despair towards the United States, or any other country for that matter, is to feel that our system is broken. We need change.

Real change.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Antonio1
Don't talk about a country you clearly know nothing about.

The rest of the people on the globe have a say,
and the stats say that u.s. is a threat to global security.
When you speak of "freedom" it designates corporate freedom.
The women and children murdered, raped, and indiscriminately
fired on by drones is not the definition of freedom.
Respect is not acquired by thuggery but earned. Respect will
NEVER be attained from a barrel of a gun, #2 to earn respect first you
must respect the sovereignty of others even if their beliefs differ from yours.
Hey Antonio, seems you missed out on the global consensus
(you DON'T need to be an american for that) :
more than half of the population in Spain holds the United States as the biggest threat to global security.


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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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that response is part of the reason for anti US sentiment. You should really be giving more respect to a nation and culture you thought you could be toppled easily. You were wrong, they put up a good fight. And in their eyes, they won.. you left.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by Antonio1
Don't talk about a country you clearly know nothing about.

The rest of the people on the globe have a say,
and the stats say that u.s. is a threat to global security.
When you speak of "freedom" it designates corporate freedom.
The women and children murdered, raped, and indiscriminately
fired on by drones is not the definition of freedom.
Respect is not acquired by thuggery but earned. Respect will
NEVER be attained from a barrel of a gun, #2 to earn respect first you
must respect the sovereignty of others even if their beliefs differ from yours.
Hey Antonio, seems you missed out on the global consensus
(you DON'T need to be an american for that) :
more than half of the population in Spain holds the United States as the biggest threat to global security.


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Press T.V.? Really? the state controlled Iranian News organization? You must be right, the Iranian govt. is wonderful and never lies. Everything is lollipops and sunshine, and there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that they made up some BS about Spanish hating America. Oh, and I didn't say that you don't have a say, just maybe learn about the U.S. before you talk sh*t. The fact is that you have offered only biased falsehoods, halfthruths, and outright lies to justify your anti-americanism. The fact is that even though many of those who have defended America on this site have been more than willing to admit that our country has flaws and is far from perfect. Funny how you havn't even admitted that whatever country you come from has some flaw. You have been too much of a coward to even tell us all where you live. And you still can't seem to stop saying that the U.S. govt. is not the same as its people. Is the oppresive govt. of Iran the same as their people? Should I start to hate all Iranians because of whatever their govt. does? You have continuesly shown the exact same ignorance, bias, and sheer pigheadedness that you accuse americans of having. Oh, and if you look back at some of those polls you always talk about, maybe you would see that most people in the world who don't like America don't like our govt., not our people. I have actually been to Europe. People complained about our govt. all the time, but still had some nice things to say about the American people. If you really hate America, why don't you get off of the Internet that was created with American and British research. Of course, if you did that, the 50 cent party wouldn't pay you anymore, would they comrade?



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Antonio1 LEARN YOUR HISTORY YOU IGNORANT BIGOT BEFORE YOU START TALKING ABOUT IT. We can't fight in the jungle? So, how do you explain all of those succesful battles on TROPICAL JUNGLE ISLANDS during World War II against Japan? Do you think that was all canada or something?

And you wounder why the rest of the globe stereotypes american
culture, case and point. We're truly wishing that your demeanor is
the minority of americans. Successful ? by the blood of children ?
Diplomacy , justice and respect is not coerced by who has the biggest military.

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by spoogemonkey
reply to post by Antonio1
 


that response is part of the reason for anti US sentiment. You should really be giving more respect to a nation and culture you thought you could be toppled easily. You were wrong, they put up a good fight. And in their eyes, they won.. you left.

I never denied that Vietnam put up a good fight. I never even said that our war was justified, or that we won, just that we could have won. I live in an area with a lot of Vietnamese people, know about their culture, and have respect for them. We didn't go into Vietnam to topple their culture, America went because we had a leadership that misguidedly thought that Ho Chi Minh was a far greater threat to our country than he was. I also did not say that the war would have been easy or quick if we had practiced correct COIN strategy, just that we propably could have won.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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If you want respect, you have to earn it.

If Americans want respect, we cannot treat the citizens of other nations as inferior to ourselves. We cannot impose ourselves into their affairs. We cannot claim moral superiority over them.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by Antonio1 LEARN YOUR HISTORY YOU IGNORANT BIGOT BEFORE YOU START TALKING ABOUT IT. We can't fight in the jungle? So, how do you explain all of those succesful battles on TROPICAL JUNGLE ISLANDS during World War II against Japan? Do you think that was all canada or something?

And you wounder why the rest of the globe stereotypes american
culture, case and point. We're truly wishing that your demeanor is
the minority of americans. Successful ? by the blood of children ?
Diplomacy , justice and respect is not coerced by who has the biggest military.

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By the blood of children? What you don't seem to understand or care about is that it has never been U.S. policy to kill civilians. But, if there is collateral dammage caused by our military, the rest of the world acts like it was done on purpose. extra DIV



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Antonio1. . . just that we propably could have won.

"we" ? ? ?
Globally there is a different perspective.
Justice and peace can NEVER be acquired by "winning",
or by using WMD's. Only those that lack intellect resort to aggression.

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by Siberbat
reply to post by My_Reality
 

You make it sound like the US is trying to conqure the world like Kublai Khan, Alexander the Great, and Ceasar. This is not the case. Many of our intanglements are due to treaties we signed, such as NATO, and other business and political interest. Is it wrong to protect our interests? Often times we are invited into the economic and geopolitical affiars of said countries. The truth is it goes hand and hand. To toute the moral highground of Arab nations is laughable. They slaughter women and homosexuals for violating cultural and religious edicts. Arabs practiced slavery for centuries, especially in Africa. Without american companies and equipment, thier oil would have remained in the ground for decades. It is the responsibility of government to protect those interests from threats. In fact, I work with several Iraqis, they are working very hard to not return to Iraq, and to become US citizens. They don't seem downtroden by american ideals, in fact, they are embrassing them.
As far as an adversarial government, ever seen the UK parlament have a heated debate? It looks like some kind of death match. Like a bunch of hooligans. lol. Makes our legislature look tame.
I'm sorry if I sound a little pointed, its not on you. Just a bit of passion on my part.


So...where do I begin? First off, I never claimed that America was trying to conquer anyone. YOUR interpretation of what I wrote lead to that. I find it amusing that you can see only as far back as NATO treaties and the subsequent business & political interests it created. I am also referring to events that took place long before NATO was an imagination.

No. It is not wrong to protect our interests. However, when our interests are defined by occupying foreign oil wells, foreign sugarcane fields, foreign agriculture and so on, I do not see any sort of recognition for the interests of others. Selfish Americans once again.

I did not tout any moral high ground for anyone. In fact, you are touting the moral high ground by labeling Arabs as wife beaters or homosexual bigots. Where is your outrage for the cultural & religious abuses taken out by USA on its own people? Oh, that's right. USA does not torture or execute its religious & cultural dissenters. I suppose that is OK with you. It does not matter that social, cultural or religious minorities are treated like scum here. "Hey, people are being treated worse halfway across the globe, so I can sleep in peace tonight!".

Did you truly bring up ARAB slavers? History lesson: almost every culture or civilization in history has used slaves. Your argument is baseless and even worse, pointless. Amusing how the absolute evil of slavery, the white man, was the first to abolish the practice.

Sorry if I seem obtuse.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by nighthawk1954
All I am going to say on this tread is one post. The hell with rest of the world...let's pull back all of our troops from every where and we protect our own boarders and people , we can strike anywhere if we have too.
That will keep our taxes down and we feed ourselves to keep prices down.
People of the world don't like us fine stand up for your selves if ever get attacked. A lot of people in this world would be speaking German today...Hello EU and other countries speaking Japanese or Russian. So rant and rave all ya like but the bottom line is when the crap hits the fan who does the world ask for help. Nope America is not perfect.
But you people talk a about our government, that's fine.
But do not talk about the average American citizen PERIOD. I have lost family members in WW1,WW2, ,Korea and Nam. Again Just bring everybody and everything home and let the rest of the world fend for themselves!


THANK YOU. THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD HAS BEEN ASKING FOR FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

Don´t let the idea that your troops going home would quell much of the worlds tension get in your way though.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by johneffendoe

What's even funnier is a Brit talking about us failing in Viet Nam -on the other side of the planet- when they couldn't even take care of business in Northern Ireland. A 38 year continual deployment that ended in dismal facepalming fail.


Last time I checked, Northern Ireland is a stable part of the UK. And yet you still claim it was a fail?

Oh wait, you are just another stupid yank who loves to run his mouth off without really knowing what he is talking about, one of 300,000,000.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 04:04 AM
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I think it's Anti-Bullying, Anti-Warring, Anti-Slavery, more than Anti-America really.

People can't be Pro-America all the time she is being forced to do bad things by the money lenders.
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