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Anti-Americanism and why

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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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reply to post by alldaylong
 


Yeah what ignorance considering the lend lease act that was arming Britian then Americans who went over their fighting before the formal declaration of war.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of that tripe bash America!




posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by beezzer
 


dont mention those willing to die to get into America, one way or the other


America, for all its warts, is still a beacon of freedom for any and everyone who wishes to better themselves and enjoy freedoms described by the Constitution.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
I have just two things to say:

We beat the crap out of you in the Olympics.
We landed on Mars.




Anything else???


Nice! haha.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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I suggest you don't let FACTS get in your way either. This is what we where doing while we where "Sitting Back":-

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Your Ignorance of Britain's role in WW II is a typical example of why some people are anti-american.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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True.

What would the world do if we cut back defense spending to actually just defend our borders? I'm sure that we would be in a war again in no time. We've been down that road before.

There are people who actually think along those lines, but the truth be told, this is not the 1930's anymore. There has to be active dialoge nowadays, followed by the threat of sanctions or force if necessary.

This is the new/old diplomacy. (I say new, only because of the interwebs)



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by wash777
 


True.

What would the world do if we cut back defense spending to actually just defend our borders? I'm sure that we would be in a war again in no time. We've been down that road before.

There are people who actually think along those lines, but the truth be told, this is not the 1930's anymore. There has to be active dialoge nowadays, followed by the threat of sanctions or force if necessary.

This is the new/old diplomacy. (I say new, only because of the interwebs)


Who would attack the US if the US would only protect it's borders? who?? And who sits on the UN and other institutions? the US, she basicly does what she likes for what's good for her (power).



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by beezzer
 


dont mention those willing to die to get into America, one way or the other


America, for all its warts, is still a beacon of freedom for any and everyone who wishes to better themselves and enjoy freedoms described by the Constitution.


On a less serious note.

Warts? That's a easy fix.

Just cut a piece of 100 mph tape (duct tape to you civvies) and place it over said wart for a coupla weeks.

Then you can pursue freedom....wart free. Unlike the other peasents.

edit on 11-8-2012 by TDawgRex because: Persue...peruse...per...Crap!



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Even though I said cutting the defense budget , it would not negate the US having ties with others. Just look at the history of WW1 and WW2. Two conflicts that have put the US in the position it is today.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
I have just two things to say:

We beat the crap out of you in the Olympics.
We landed on Mars.




Anything else???


Ya forgot...


BAM Baby!
edit on 11-8-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Yeah what ignorance considering the lend lease act that was arming Britian then Americans who went over their fighting before the formal declaration of war.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of that tripe bash America!


I would also point out that it was the U.K. which declared war on Germany in 1939, not the other way around as many believe.

It was also Britain that initiated the terror bombing of civilian populations in reprisal for German attacks on British military infrastructure.

Germany began bombing London in retaliation for Bomber Commands's attack on Berlin but that point seems to have been forgotten as well.

My point is that right or wrong, Britain had a choice and chose war while the U.S. was forced into the conflict.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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They don't care they just want to bash America nothing else matters then the thread devolved to a "whose is bigger" and petty insulting by non Americans those are the same people who declared war after losing a futbal game and beat the hell out of each other etc.

Evil America!!!



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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You are correct most your points…but.

The carpet bombing by both sides was a PSYOP campaign. A means to get the local populace to rise against their own government.

Let’s be truthful, if an adversary were bombing you willy-nilly and you as an individual did not see it stopping anytime soon, wouldn’t you possibly say at some point…ENOUGH! Just surrender already!

Of course you are not seeing your own government doing the same to the other side.

But the majority of the people on both sides just gritted it out.

But in one instance you are wrong. The US declared war against Japan and Germany declared war against the US the day later.

And there we are…back to diplomacy and the treaties that take place.

Also, the US had a lend-lease program to arm the UK prior to actual war.

ETA: Prior to actual war for the US, not the UK. I'm pretty sure that they were in the mix already.

edit on 11-8-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by alldaylong
 


Yeah what ignorance considering the lend lease act that was arming Britian then Americans who went over their fighting before the formal declaration of war.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of that tripe bash America!


I would also point out that it was the U.K. which declared war on Germany in 1939, not the other way around as many believe.

It was also Britain that initiated the terror bombing of civilian populations in reprisal for German attacks on British military infrastructure.

Germany began bombing London in retaliation for Bomber Commands's attack on Berlin but that point seems to have been forgotten as well.

My point is that right or wrong, Britain had a choice and chose war while the U.S. was forced into the conflict





The Nazi's along with the Russians began the tactic of "Terror Bombing" when they obliterated 84% of the Polish City Of Warsaw 1n1939. The Nazi's where "No Angels" :-

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Even though I said cutting the defense budget , it would not negate the US having ties with others. Just look at the history of WW1 and WW2. Two conflicts that have put the US in the position it is today.


Yea sure, but for example the Iraq war, the US saw a problem there, and we just followed you guys.. The US military complex now is also a big economical importance for the country, if there would no wars, you would get in a bad recession I'm sure.. you know?

Of course it's good when you work together in some cases, but just very very rarely wars do good and those institutions we have now (UN/nato and so on) are just instruments played by the US basicly.

We got US bases in Europe still! we don't care about that, but it's just really silly for example. Controlling the world.. for what, like the US cares about us.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
I have just two things to say:

We beat the crap out of you in the Olympics.
We landed on Mars.




Anything else???


Bam baby!


edit on 11-8-2012 by MsAphrodite because: (no reason given)


Well I don't really care about such things, that would be national bragging but if you would look better if europe was 1 country, the EU got many many more medals.
Even England alone is pretty close alone.

But yea that's why the moon landing was so important so the people can believe in the greatness of their country but really like that really is important.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Plugin

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Plugin
 


Even though I said cutting the defense budget , it would not negate the US having ties with others. Just look at the history of WW1 and WW2. Two conflicts that have put the US in the position it is today.


Yea sure, but for example the Iraq war, the US saw a problem there, and we just followed you guys.. The US military complex now is also a big economical importance for the country, if there would no wars, you would get in a bad recession I'm sure.. you know?

Of course it's good when you work together in some cases, but just very very rarely wars do good and those institutions we have now (UN/nato and so on) are just instruments played by the US basicly.

We got US bases in Europe still! we don't care about that, but it's just really silly for example. Controlling the world.. for what, like the US cares about us.


I care about ya. Truthfully. And if it were not for the Army, I could never have afforded to meet you. Germany and Europe, not Iraq.


Ihad great times and met great people in one...not so much the other. But I still met plenty of cool people in Iraq.

But then again, maybe that is why I can relate to a European much quicker than an Arab. Culturally, we are closer.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
 


You are correct most your points…but.

The carpet bombing by both sides was a PSYOP campaign. A means to get the local populace to rise against their own government.

Let’s be truthful, if an adversary were bombing you willy-nilly and you as an individual did not see it stopping anytime soon, wouldn’t you possibly say at some point…ENOUGH! Just surrender already!

Of course you are not seeing your own government doing the same to the other side.

But the majority of the people on both sides just gritted it out.

But in one instance you are wrong. The US declared war against Japan and Germany declared war against the US the day later.

And there we are…back to diplomacy and the treaties that take place.

Also, the US had a lend-lease program to arm the UK prior to actual war.


My point would be that the U.S. declared war on Japan in response to the attacks on U.S. military installations in Hawaii and the Philippines and, as you said, Germany declared war on the U.S.

Britain declared war on Germany to honor a treaty obligation, slightly different circumstance although their declaration of war against Imperial Japan in 1941 was identical to the U.S. situation.

Absolutely terror bombing of civilian populations is a PSYOP, how effective it really was in impacting civilian morale is debatable to this day.

Please don't take my comment on the matter the wrong way, WWII was a total war requiring extreme and brutal actions. I don't disagree that actions like Bomber Commands area bombing directive or the USAAF firebombing campaign against Japanese cities were necessary in the context of the war.

I am just pointing out that Britain shares a good portion of culpability and were every bit as viscous as they portrayed their enemies and as some choose to portray the U.S.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Man oh man!

The hate rolling off these cyber pages is just astounding!

It must irritate the haters to no end when they receive medicines created by Americans.
When they use electronics, invented by Americans.
When they watch programmes created by Americans.
Enjoy movies by Americans.
Receive foreign aid given to them by American tax payers.


I hope it bothers them, but I doubt that it does. The haters would rather steal all that we've created, invented and use it to destroy us rather than look in appreciation.

I truely wonder if the hate isn't "envy-driven".



It just dawned on me that ATS has gone back to the tried and true. If you notice, there are the Gay and Racists threads that go back and forth for awhile, but they eventually peter out.

At which point, it's a slow news day...."Let's bash the USA." thread.

Well, it does always generate replies don't it?



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