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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SolarIce
There is a well known term "evidence of absence which should be looked at.
If there was some chemical spraying operation from airliners then there should be some physical evidence of it - systems on board the aircraft, systems to deliver materials to aircraft, documents, manuals, bills of sale, doctored fuel, etc.
So far there is a TOTAL absence of such evidence.
Some negatives can be proved - I can prove the absence of any elephants in my office by looking around my office ......yep - no elephants.
Similarly we can look at the aircraft that are suposedly doign this spraying and see that they are not fitted with any means of doing it. Nor is there any evidende that they ever had any means of doing it.
it is therefore a prefectly reasonable conclusion that they are NOT doing it.
by al means disagree - but it would be nice to have some proper reasons why this is wrong othe than i'm a shil, paid disingo agent, can't see the wood for the trees, and the rest of the usual avoiding any attempt to address the evidence that usually happens.
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by SolarIce
[i Wouldn't it be a fact that the government could use this to cover up true intentions perfectly? Of course once again this is all speculations because you have about as much proof as I do, only I dont deny its possible..
Alas, we seem to be going in circles. to reiterate- the main theme of the theory is that the persistent trails HAVE to be "chemtrails" because contrail don't do that.
We know this to be false. That CAN be proved. Thus, the main theory is false.
It is possible that "they" could be spraying something...BUT there is NO evidence that it is happening.
So, in order to believe that it is...one must relying purely on faith. not fact...just faith.
Do you deny the possibility that god lives in my pocket? can you prove he doesn't?
Patents
1338343 - April 27, 1920 - Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 - March 1, 1927 - Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 - June 7, 1927 - Electric Heater - Referenced in 3990987
1665267 - April 10, 1928 - Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 - December 27, 1932 - Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 - October 3, 1933 - Electrical System And Method
1957075 - May 1, 1934 - Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 - November 2, 1937 - Electric Stream Generator - Referenced in 3990987
2409201 - October 15, 1946 - Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 - July 18, 1945 - Smoke Screen Generator
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by snalesnot
what the hell you expect them to say were killing you daily and causing health problems to lower population. i just hope everyone who thinks chemtrails is bs gets a weird disease n has autistic children or no children at all cause they are no longer able to. so why in winter isnt there lines all over the sky daily? is it not freezing temp? why do i see this # sprayed in 90 degrees summer days that stays all day spreading out blocking my rays? be sure to stock up on some GMO corn too thats very healthy for you.
Thats some classic stuff....if you disagree with me may harm come to you...
Alas, if "chemtrails" are for lowering the population, it seems to be a dismal failure as the population keeps going up.
Curious- when its 90 degrees out- what temperature do you think it is 6 miles above you at 35-40K feet?
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by SolarIce
[i Wouldn't it be a fact that the government could use this to cover up true intentions perfectly? Of course once again this is all speculations because you have about as much proof as I do, only I dont deny its possible..
Alas, we seem to be going in circles. to reiterate- the main theme of the theory is that the persistent trails HAVE to be "chemtrails" because contrail don't do that.
We know this to be false. That CAN be proved. Thus, the main theory is false.
It is possible that "they" could be spraying something...BUT there is NO evidence that it is happening.
So, in order to believe that it is...one must relying purely on faith. not fact...just faith.
Do you deny the possibility that god lives in my pocket? can you prove he doesn't?
Did you say: "There is NO evidence that it is happening"?
Patents
1338343 - April 27, 1920 - Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 - March 1, 1927 - Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 - June 7, 1927 - Electric Heater - Referenced in 3990987
1665267 - April 10, 1928 - Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 - December 27, 1932 - Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 - October 3, 1933 - Electrical System And Method
1957075 - May 1, 1934 - Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 - November 2, 1937 - Electric Stream Generator - Referenced in 3990987
2409201 - October 15, 1946 - Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 - July 18, 1945 - Smoke Screen Generator
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Did you say: "There is NO evidence that it is happening"?
Patents
1338343 - April 27, 1920 - Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 - March 1, 1927 - Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 - June 7, 1927 - Electric Heater - Referenced in 3990987
1665267 - April 10, 1928 - Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 - December 27, 1932 - Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 - October 3, 1933 - Electrical System And Method
1957075 - May 1, 1934 - Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 - November 2, 1937 - Electric Stream Generator - Referenced in 3990987
2409201 - October 15, 1946 - Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 - July 18, 1945 - Smoke Screen Generator
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
So, i guess these FACTS...are IRRELEVANT? Or, are these not considered FACTS??? Chemtrail Related Patents for "research"
Dude, GIVE IT UP ALREADY! You are SERIOUSLY MISLEADING PEOPLE!
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Did you say: "There is NO evidence that it is happening"?
Patents
1338343 - April 27, 1920 - Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 - March 1, 1927 - Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 - June 7, 1927 - Electric Heater - Referenced in 3990987
1665267 - April 10, 1928 - Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 - December 27, 1932 - Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 - October 3, 1933 - Electrical System And Method
1957075 - May 1, 1934 - Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 - November 2, 1937 - Electric Stream Generator - Referenced in 3990987
2409201 - October 15, 1946 - Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 - July 18, 1945 - Smoke Screen Generator
did you mean to post some actual evidence of chamtrails beign sprayed??
You do know that a patent is nothing more than someone having an idea, right??
Originally posted by robbo961
good post!, one that i'm sure will have a lot us believers re-evaluating our evidence. However, some of the evidence cannot be dismissed as 'con trails' you see, targeting obvious areas of the sky with contrails just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As you can see from the photo in the link, this area of the sky is definately 'targeted' and if anyone wants to say that this is a freak accident (the patterns created by the trails) then I'm afraid i will do the face-palm thing myself
www.dailymail.co.uk...
For the USPTO to issue a patent, the invention must be novel, non-obvious, and "useful." The standard for usefulness is certainly the weakest of the three -- any possible utility, no matter how small, will suffice. And, useful does not necessarily mean commercially viable. In other words, you can get a patent on some crazy things that will never make it to the shelves of your local store.
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by SpittinTruth
So, i guess these FACTS...are IRRELEVANT? Or, are these not considered FACTS??? Chemtrail Related Patents for "research"
Dude, GIVE IT UP ALREADY! You are SERIOUSLY MISLEADING PEOPLE!
I already addressed this- I asked you why a patent for crop dusting...or cloud seeding...or smoke generation can be considered evidence of "chemtrails"
Does that fact that a patent exists mean that it is in use? or even works?? (no.)
you claimed Monsanto trying to develop aluminum resistant seeds was part of the plan...yet neglected to addres the fact the the earth is 8% aluminum and seed companies have been trying for decades to develop these seeds...long before "chemtrails".
It is you who is hysterically yelling and misleading people-
Originally posted by SolarIce
Just got to understand we're debating purely on what we've been told, have you ever seen a contrail first hand form from just a few feet away? If not then you are only going on by what you have been told to be true, and history has shown us time and time again that at any moment what we believe to be true can easily be proven false.
Originally posted by snalesnot
Originally posted by Thorazine
Originally posted by snalesnot
what the hell you expect them to say were killing you daily and causing health problems to lower population. i just hope everyone who thinks chemtrails is bs gets a weird disease n has autistic children or no children at all cause they are no longer able to. so why in winter isnt there lines all over the sky daily? is it not freezing temp? why do i see this # sprayed in 90 degrees summer days that stays all day spreading out blocking my rays? be sure to stock up on some GMO corn too thats very healthy for you.
Thats some classic stuff....if you disagree with me may harm come to you...
Alas, if "chemtrails" are for lowering the population, it seems to be a dismal failure as the population keeps going up.
Curious- when its 90 degrees out- what temperature do you think it is 6 miles above you at 35-40K feet?
its funny how you skipped the winter theory shouldnt there be lines all over the sky when its freezing temp in winter? yet its not. hurry n get that strange disease and respiratory problems so i can say i dont believe youedit on 19-7-2012 by snalesnot because: (no reason given)
video i made last year peep it tell me this is normal looking skys
www.youtube.com...
edit on 19-7-2012 by snalesnot because: (no reason given)