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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by WhisperingWinds
Not only are those last two quotes condescending,rude, and hostile, but they imply that I don't want to read anything other than the bible , which is totally false.
Actually, it's an accurate portrayal of most of the Christians we've met in these kinds of threads. If it isn't in the Bible, it isn't true. Those kinds of people.
So if you're arguing with textbooks given to children all over the world to learn from, preferring the "authority" of your Bible, how is Wild wrong?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by WhisperingWinds
Not only are those last two quotes condescending,rude, and hostile, but they imply that I don't want to read anything other than the bible , which is totally false.
Actually, it's an accurate portrayal of most of the Christians we've met in these kinds of threads. If it isn't in the Bible, it isn't true. Those kinds of people.
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This information is now available to the public as it never was before. It is all over the Internet. It is being discussed in forums, debated and lauded. There are videos about it, both pro and con. There are many images of the principle people involved (the Piso family and their relatives), as well as family tree or genealogical information to help researchers put this family into better perspective in terms of their relationship to one another. The later Roman emperors (beginning with Antoninus Pius) were all or mostly descended from Arrius Piso and his immediate family. These family lines, though hidden or disguised down through history continue on to this day. There is a line directly from Arrius Piso to Constantine. His line descended down through the Annii Verii and the Annii Anicii. The Byzantine emperors and their descendants also trace their origins back to Arrius Piso and his family. The European royals from various countries may also trace descent from Arrius Piso (this includes the British monarchy and the old kings of France). Also, the Popes were in on this and it appears that Popes up into the early half of the 1900's may a) be related to earlier Popes and b) eventually trace back to the first Pope or Bishop of Rome, Peter (aka Arrius Piso).
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THE NT BOOKS:
MARK:
The gospel of Mark was written in a prototype form before it was later crafted into the form that we are familiar with. The earlier version was called ‘Ur Marcus’ and is also known/called ‘Q’ (for ‘Quelle’, which is German for the ‘source’).
Our latest findings regarding the early version of Mark show that this was written at about the time of Claudius Caesar, by the grandfather of Arrius Piso. That version was apparently only a bare sketch and most likely did not give a name to the ‘messiah’. That appears to have been done later by the person who actually played ‘Jesus’ in the Gospels - Arrius Piso
The version that we are familiar with was written about the year 73 CE by Arrius Calpurnius Piso. Arrius Piso was a Roman on his father’s side, but a descendant of King Herod on his mother’s side and therefore he knew well about the Jewish religion. He was also a close relative to the Flavians and even though secretly he could inherit and use the Flavian name by his mother’s descent from them, he gave a story about receiving it from the emperor Vespasian (in his other identity as Flavius Josephus).
MATTHEW:
Matthew too, was authored by Arrius Calpurnius Piso. This was written about the year 75 CE.
LUKE:
Was written 85-90 CE by Arrius C. Piso and Pliny the Younger.
JOHN:
The 4th Gospel, or the Gospel of John was written by Justus Calpurnius Piso, a son of Arrius C. Piso. This son was very much like this father in his hatred towards humanity. This Gospel was written circa 105 CE.
ACTS:
The Acts of the Apostles was written by Arrius Piso and his son Justus, with some help from Pliny the Younger 96-100 CE. By the way, there is a portion of Acts that is missing from most English translations/interpretations. That is the 29th Chapter, which has 10 verses.
ROMANS:
The epistle to the Romans was written by another son of Arrius Piso (Proculus Piso) and Claudia Phoebe about the year 100. Claudia Phoebe is known in history as the wife of the emperor Trajan (as Pompeia Plotina). She wrote the last few verses of this epistle, which many copies of the NT in English leave out because that portion was written by a woman. This is obvious, and she even gives her name as ‘Phoebe’. You can tell where the previous male author leaves off and the female author begins because the male author “signs off” with ‘Amen’. She wrote the last verses (25-27) of Romans, Chapter 16.
1st CORINTHIANS, GALATIONS, and EPHESIANS:
were all written between 100-103 CE by Pliny the Younger.
2nd CORINTHIANS and PHILIPPIANS:
were written by Justus C. Piso between 103-105 CE.
COLOSSIANS:
was written by Justus C. Piso and his son Julianus (Julianus was the father of the emperor Marcus Aurelius, but this is seen in history only by his use of another name ‘Verus’).
I see your posts and have read some of your threads and I see why they may hate you. You threaten them. You shake their beliefs.
The reason I left my church and eventually the religion, was because I do ask a lot of questions myself and a lot of it just didn't sit right with me.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench
That's kinda a silly thing to say. Hasn't God called the end of every single life to ever live? I mean how does a person die without it being allowed by God?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No, God is divine. We are created in His image and likeness
You know, if we were truly created in his image and likeness, surely we would be able to do exactly the same things as him, yes?
We're divided, and divided, we lack power. We must unite as a species to claim our divinity.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench
Your history is atrocious. The ancient moon god of Babylon was called "Sin". The Biblical person "Senechareb" was named after this deity. "Halil" is "crescent moon" in Arabic and "Heylel" is crescent moon in Hebrew, both are Semitic languages.
Allah is lah is yah is jah. They are the moon god.
lah, yah, jah is the moon god.
As I said, your history is atrocious and your understanding of Semitic languages even more so.
I'll take sources over your opinion any day. Especially since three god worshipers have been know to rewrite history.
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by autowrench
That's kinda a silly thing to say. Hasn't God called the end of every single life to ever live? I mean how does a person die without it being allowed by God?
I pointed out that the God of the OT kills, or orders the killing of innocents. If that is the way of this God, then why give him worship and devotion? I have a great deal more evil things this God did too.
Strange how he changed from the OT to the NT. Kinda makes everyone think it was made up.
Originally posted by autowrench
This thread, as I have stated several times, was designed to ask the Fundamentalist Evangelists of ATS if, in fact they had been able to convert anyone. A few of you actually answered, and there are a few Christians in ATS that knows what being a true Christian is all about. Sadly, some of you are so full of hate I hardly see how you sleep at night. So I will not abandon this thread, and will not respond to any replies. I humbly ask the Staff to close it.
Originally posted by Ellie Sagan
I know autowrench asked for this thread to be closed, but I have one more thing to say for now at least.
He is right though. There were very few answers to his question. I scanned back at posts that the christians who have been arguing with various other posters have said, including the OP, and they haven't provided a clear cut answer to the OP.
Originally posted by Ellie Sagan
reply to post by NOTurTypical
A baby is innocent in the eyes of anyone who doesn't believe the Christian notion of being born with a sin nature. If that is what you believe then why do so many christians believe that it is wrong to kill a baby in the womb?
Originally posted by Ellie Sagan
reply to post by NOTurTypical
In your other post you said none of us are innocent when referring to the statement that your god kills innocents. I said babies are innocent. I'm sure in the one example I gave earlier about him killing the firstborn children of Egypt, a lot of them were actually still infants or young children. Therefore, your god killed innocents. Why is that difficult for you to understand?