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The Bright and Morning Star "Mary" Queen of Heaven and husband Allah

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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 05:49 PM

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by queenofangels_17

God wants so badly for us to believe that he exists, that's what he wants more than anything else is it not? So why doesn't he prove it himself? Why can't he let himself be known? He has everything at his disposal to prove it, yet he doesn't do it, why is that?

Prove Himself as in show Himself? God be Glorified! He has no need to show Himself to us or to prove Himself to us. But if you want proof, just look around you, the Heavens and the Earth and all things that He created, and yourself most of all, is enough proof that God exists.

16:78 And Allah brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers knowing nothing, and gave you hearing and sight and hearts that haply ye might give thanks.

God is free from wants and needs. Frankly it is us who needs him, and we should be thanking Him for every breath that we take instead of questioning His existence.

8:55 Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe;

6:46 Say: Have ye imagined, if Allah should take away your hearing and your sight and seal your hearts, who is the God who could restore it to you save Allah? See how We display the revelations unto them? Yet still they turn away.

Everything around you is a sign that God exists, a creation cannot exist without a Creator and all creation depends on His Creator to continue existing.

45:4 And in your creation, and all the beasts that He scattered in the earth, are portents for a folk whose faith is sure.

30:22 And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colors. Lo! herein indeed are portents for men of knowledge.

30:19 He bringeth forth the living from the dead, and He bringeth forth the dead from the living, and He reviveth the earth after her death. And even so will ye be brought forth.

Do you believe that the first creation of man began from clay then from semen and that afterwards when he dies he reverts back to clay from where he was made?

32:7 Who made all things good which He created, and He began the creation of man from clay;

16:4 He hath created man from a drop of fluid, yet behold! he is an open opponent.

22:5 O mankind! if ye are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, then lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of semen, then from a clot, then from a little lump of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We may make it clear for you. And We cause what We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed time, and afterward We bring you forth as infants, then give you growth that ye attain your full strength. And among you there is he who dieth young, and among you there is he who is brought back to the most abject time of life, so that, after knowledge, he knoweth naught. And thou (Muhammad) seest the earth barren, but when We send down water thereon, it doth thrill and swell and put forth every lovely kind of growth.

God exists and He is the Lord of us all. He created mankind and jinn only so they would worship Him.

7:172 And (remember) when thy Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their reins, their seed, and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily. We testify. That was lest ye should say at the Day of Resurrection: Lo! of this we were unaware;

If you want more proof then if God wills, you will see it.

41:53We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things?


posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:03 PM
reply to post by queenofangels_17

Using the quran to prove the quran is not a valid argument, sorry.

You say that god created man only for man to worship him? That seems a bit selfish don't you think? Why would an omnipotent, benevolent, and infallible god even require our worship? If he doesn't require it and forces it on us with penalty being us suffering for eternity, that seems to me like a cruel dictator, not a loving god. God would have no need for our worship if he indeed does exist.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:10 AM
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

She didn't use the Quran to prove the Quran. If you think that's what she was doing then, forgive me, but your comprehension skills are lacking. She used the Quran to illustrate that God doesn't need us, that we need God. If you weren't so blinded by your hatred of all things "religious" I think you would have seen that instead of being so reactionary to what she posted.

posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:40 AM
reply to post by Murgatroid

I am ALSO stunned as well to see someone with the words "BBQ Illuminati" in their avatar who appears to have NO clue about WHO these people are or HOW they control the world:

If you trace up Masonry, through all its Orders, till you come to the grand tip-top, head Mason of the World, you will discover that the dread individual and the Chief of the Society of Jesus are one and the same person!
James Parton (1855), as quoted in M. F. Cusack, The Black Pope (London: Marshall, Russell & Co., 1896): 76.

The truth is, the Jesuits of Rome have perfected Freemasonry to be their most magnificent and effective tool, accomplishing their purposes among Protestants.
John Daniel, The Grand Design Exposed (Middleton, Idaho: CHJ Publishing, 1999): 302.

“P-2 Masonry” (John Daniel, author of the book, “The Grand Design Exposed”; 1999; Page 169): “There is a Masonic Propaganda group, number two…known as the ‘P-2 Club’, with its headquarters being in Rome. …The P-2 Club is a propaganda society of the world’s elite which includes high-ranking Roman Catholic prelates and, of course, Jesuits.”

(I.A. Sadler, author of the book “Mystery, Babylon the Great”; 2003; Pages 175-181): “Freemasonry is another branch of the Babylonian Mysteries, which has survived under different names from the time of the fall of open pagan worship in the 5th century. …Freemasonry is just as ripe for manipulation by the JESUITS and the CHURCH OF ROME, that it may be used for the purposes of ROME, as any Protestant denomination. [Ed.: Freemasonry has been manipulated by the Jesuits for many decades.] …In Britain and the USA, Freemasonry appears as a ‘Christian’ organization. However, this is a most dangerous pretense, for the true god of Freemasonry is Lucifer, who is Satan appearing as an angel of light. …Both Freemasonry and the CHURCH OF ROME [Ed.: at their highest levels] worship the same god… Masonic ceremonies implicitly deny the sufficiency of Scripture. …[Ed.: Freemasonry] is particularly strong in many Baptist churches in the USA… Those in the lower levels of Freemasonry know nothing about the higher and even more secretive degrees.”

It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the "Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West—"Sovereign Prince Masons," etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris.
Helena Blavatsky 32 degree co-mason, Isis Unveiled (Los Angeles, CA: The Theosophy Company, 1968): 390.

J. E. C. Shepherd (Canadian historian), The Babington Plot: Jesuit Intrigue in Elizabethan England (Toronto, Canada: Wittenburg Publications): 12: Between 1555 and 1931 the Society of Jesus was expelled from at least 83 countries, city states and cities, for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the State, according to the records of a Jesuit priest of repute…Practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection.

Jesuit Giulio Cesare Cordara:

...nearly all the Kings and Sovereigns of Europe had only Jesuits as directors of their consciences, so that the whole of Europe appeared to be governed by Jesuits only.
As quoted in E. Boyd Barrett, The Jesuit Enigma (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1927): 209.

Hector Macpherson, The Jesuits in History (Edinburgh: Macniven and Wallace, 1914): 126:
They [i.e., the Jesuits] have so constantly mixed themselves up in court and state intrigues that they must, in justice, be reproached with striving after world dominion. They cost kings their lives, not on the scaffold, but by assassination, and equally hurtful as the society of Illuminati;

Moreover, the Pope has thousands of secret agents worldwide. They include Jesuits, the Knights of Columbus, Knights of Malta, Opus Dei, and others. The Vatican’s Intelligence Service and its field resources are second to none. source: Dave Hunt A Woman Rides the Beast (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1994): 87.

There is considerable analogy between Masonic and Jesuitic degrees; and the Jesuits also tread down the shoe and bare the knee, because Ignatius Loyola thus presented himself at Rome and asked for the confirmation of the order. source: Charles Heckethorn, (1900), as quoted in Lady Queensborough, Occult Theocrasy (South Pasadena, California: Emissary Publications, 1980): 313.

notice the symbol for the particular cross designating a priest of Horus

From the Great Controversy (1888) p. 234-235
The context for the following text is circa 1530-40 about 10 years after Martin Luther ...

Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time, the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from every earthly tie and human interest, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy.

When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of State, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants, to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind, and dazzle and captivate the imagination; and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery.

To give them greater power, a bull was issued re-establishing the Inquisition. Notwithstanding the general abhorrence with which it was regarded, even in Catholic countries, this terrible tribunal was again set up by popish rulers, and atrocities too terrible to bear the light of day were repeated in its secret dungeons. In many countries, thousands upon thousands of the very flower of the nation, the purest and noblest, the most intellectual and highly educated, pious and devoted pastors, industrious and patriotic citizens, brilliant scholars, talented artists, skillful artisans, were slain, or forced to flee to other lands.

Once one understands the importance that these mystical keys hold in Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonic mysticism, and other mystery traditions, there can be (and is) but one reasonable interpretation for the connection in the Vatican and the seventy-two pentagrams at the base of the Apotheosis of Washington. These are there to bind and control the demons over the nations to honor the dedication made by early American Freemasons and certain Roman devotees for a New Atlantis and New World Order under the coming antichrist deity Osiris/Apollo.
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 3136-3140)

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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:12 AM

Masonic Temple with the pillars Jachim and Boaz representing the Sun and the Moon deities Osiris and Isis with Horus as the All-seeing eye

1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.

1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.

1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.

1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie's The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigenses

1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.

1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).

1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.

April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.

1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”

1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.

1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.

1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.

Historian J. A. Wylie said:

It is idle in Rome to say, "I gave you the Bible, and therefore you must believe in me before you can believe in it." The facts...conclusively dispose of this claim. Rome did not give us the Bible—she did all in her power to keep it form us; she retained it under the seal of a dead language; and when others broke that seal, and threw open its pages to all, she stood over the book, and unsheathing her fiery sword, would permit none to read the message of life, save at the peril of eternal anathema"
J.A. Wylie, History of Protestantism Volume 1 (Virginia: Heartland Publications, 2002): 58

Most of our encyclopedias and history textbooks do NOT tell us that the purpose of the attempted invasion of England in 1588 by the Spanish Armada was to land troops in England to be joined by local Roman Catholics in an effort to overthrow the government and bring England, by force, back under the authority of Papal Rome! The Roman Catholic King of Spain (Philip II) wanted financial “compensation” for launching this invasion. And so the Roman pontiff, Pope Sixtus V, promised King Philip II 200,000 crowns as soon as the Spanish Armada had set sail for England, and more cash to follow later. Thus the Papacy was helping to fund the planned invasion of England source

Catholic Professor Orestes Brownson, Brownson’s Review (January, 1854): 90:

But is it the intention of the pope to possess this country? Undoubtedly. In this intention is he aided by the Jesuits and all the Catholic prelates and priests? Undoubtedly, if they are faithful to their religion. (As quoted in J. M'Clintock (ed.), The Methodist Quarterly Review Volume 37 (New York: Carleton & Phillips, 1855): 78.)

Pope Nicholas I in a letter to the King of Bulgaria in 860 AD:

I glorify you for having maintained your authority by putting to death those wandering sheep who refused to enter the fold; and you not only have not sinned, by showing a holy rigour, but I even congratulate you on having opened the kingdom of heaven to the people submitted to your rule. A king need not fear to command massacres, when these will retain his subjects in obedience, or cause them to submit to the faith of Christ; and God will reward him in this world, and in eternal life, for these murders.

Pope Leo VIII, Immortale Dei (November 1, 1885):

The unrestrained freedom of thinking and of openly making known one’s thoughts is not inherent in the rights of citizens and is by no means worthy of favor and support.

Civilta Cattolica (House organ of the Jesuits):

Fascism is the regime that corresponds most closely to the concepts of the Church of Rome.

David Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast (Harvest House, 1994): 126:

The Constitution of the United States was condemned by the Papacy because it separated church and state and prohibited the establishment of any religion by the government. The popes, on the other hand, had long required governments to make Roman Catholicism the official religion and to prohibit the practice of any other.

Dr. William P. Grady:

During a sermon in 1850, [Roman Catholic] Archbishop John Hughes of New York, the nation’s leading Vatican spokesman, acknowledged that a conspiracy to subjugate free America did exist after all. The Catholic press was ecstatic. An excerpt from ‘Shepherd of the Valley’, the official journal of the [Roman Catholic] Bishop of St. Louis, declared, ‘If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, so we believe.’ [Catholic Archbishop] Hughes’ own paper, the ‘New York Freeman’ brazenly announced, ‘No man has a right to choose his religion.’

Darryl Eberhart, "The Papacy's Hatred of Liberty," Tackling the Tough Topics:

...the Papacy, despite its “ecumenical rhetoric”, has not changed a bit over the many centuries in the following categories:

* Its deep hatred of Jews, all independent Bible-believing Christians, Protestants, and Orthodox Christians (as recently as the 1940s we find Roman Catholic Ustashi military units in Croatia, led and urged on by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars, slaughtering from 600,000 to one million innocent Serb Orthodox Christian men, women, elderly, and children – many of the victims being first brutally tortured);
* Its long-held dream to bring all Christians under its monopolistic, totalitarian, ecclesiastical control;
* Its long-held dream to head up a totalitarian one-world religious organization; and,
* Its long-held dream to bring all world leaders – especially those in “Christian” countries – under the temporal power of the pope.

Charles Chiniquy, a Catholic priest who turned to Protestantism says:

Have not the popes publicly and repeatedly anathematized the sacred principle of Liberty of Conscience? Have they not boldly said, in the teeth of the nations of Europe, that Liberty of Conscience must be destroyed – killed at any cost? Has not the whole world heard the sentence of death to liberty coming from the lips of the old man of the Vatican?
The Priest, The Woman and the Confessional (BiblioBazaar, 2007): 104:

Dave Hunt, A Cup of Trembling (Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House Publishers, 1995): 160:

Church historian R. Tudor Jones writes that "the majority of the martyrs were ordinary people, including many women"...John Foxe was an eyewitness and earnest historian of the fierce persecution in England in his day. His Book of Martyrs gives detailed accounts of many public trials and executions of those whom the Roman Catholic Church judged to be "heretics" worthy of death. His descriptions of Christians being burned at the stake tell of their inspiring bravery in the face of such a horrible death and of the determination of Roman Catholicism to exterminate everywhere true Christians who opposed her. Similar records have come down of the massacres of Jews at the hands of the Roman Church.

John Daniel, The Grand Design Exposed (CHJ Publishing, 1999): 27, 78:

Through relentless torture, starvation, genocide, massacres, burning at the stake, against every conceivable fury of [Papal] Rome, they [i.e., the ‘seeds of protest’] could not be extinguished. History estimates that over one hundred million people lost their lives during that time of [Papal] Roman tyranny. Is it any wonder that God graphically describes this onslaught of [Papal] Rome as her being ‘drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus’, and calls her the ‘Beast’?

…For the unbiased researcher, history reeks of the butchery of Romanism, where whole cities and populations were unmercifully wiped out, just because they worshipped God in a manner that was different from Roman Catholicism.

Charles A. Bolton (Ex-Roman Catholic priest):

What has turned my soul against Roman abuse of power is the way in which it has tortured and burned such saints of God as Joan of Arc, hundreds of the Albigensian martyrs in France in the 12th century, the Knights Templar, John Huss [Czech Jan Hus], the Dominican Savonarola, the Dominican Giordano Bruno, [and] the Anglican bishops Cranmer, Ridley, and Latimer. The Inquisition has promoted at least two wholesale massacres: [hundreds of] thousands of Protestant Waldensians in northern Italy, and thousands of Protestant Huguenots by the massacre of St. Bartholomew in France. More than 30,000 of the most cultured Protestants of France were put to the sword on the night of St. Bartholomew, August 24, 1572. At the news [of this brutal, bloody massacre], the Pope had cannons fired, proclaimed a jubilee, ordered a Te Deum of thanksgiving to be sung, and struck a special medal to commemorate the glorious ‘victory’.

Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast (Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House Publishers, 1994): 80, 261:

To wring out confessions from these poor creatures, the Roman Catholic Church devised ingenious tortures so excruciating and barbarous that one is sickened by their recital.

The Medieval Inquisition had flourished for centuries when Pope Paul III, in 1542, gave it permanent status as the first of Rome’s Sacred Congregations, the ‘Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Inquisition’. Known more recently as the ‘Holy Office’, its name was changed in 1967 to the ‘Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’…Therefore it is not surprising that the ‘Office of the Inquisition’ still occupies the Palace of the Inquisition adjacent to the Vatican, though under its new name, the ‘Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’. Its current Grand Inquisitor, who reports directly to the pope, is the former Archbishop of Munich, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, whom Time [Magazine] has called ‘the world’s most powerful cardinal [and] the Catholic Church’s chief enforcer of dogma…’

World War 1

Pope Pius X, in his hatred of the Orthodox Christians, was continually inciting Emperor Francis Joseph of Austria-Hungary to ‘chastise the Serbians.’ After Sarajevo, on July 26, 1914, Baron Ritter, Bavarian representative at the Holy See, wrote to his government: “The Pope approves of Austria’s harsh treatment of Serbia. He has no great opinion of the armies of Russia and France in the event of a war with Germany. The Cardinal Secretary of State does not see when Austria could make war if she does not decide to do so now….” There, in true colours, is the Vicar of Christ [the pope], the gentle apostle of peace, the Holy Pontiff whom pious authors represent as having died of sorrow at seeing the outbreak of war. — Edmund Paris. The Vatican against Europe, The Wickliffe Press, p. 14.

One may say quite specifically that in 1914, the Roman Catholic Church started the series of hellish wars. It was then that the tribute of blood which she has always taken from the peoples began to swell into a veritable torrent. — Ibid, p. 48.

Thus we see that the pope realized that if Austria-Hungary crushed the Serbs, then the Serbs’ Orthodox Christian brothers from Russia would enter the fray. Then Germany, France and others would join in, and you have World War One. The papacy was thrilled to see Russia enter the conflict. Russia was predominantly Orthodox and the papacy wanted the Orthodox Christians in Russia and around the world annihilated.

The papacy’s Jesuits had another reason for being so happy when Russia entered the conflict. It was payback time. About 100 years before World War One began, Alexander I, the Russian emperor, kicked the Jesuits out of Russia.

The Russian emperor, Alexander, was currently compelled to issue a royal decree in 1816, by which he expelled them [the Jesuits] from St. Petersburg and Moscow. This proving ineffectual, he issued another in 1820, excluding them entirely from the Russian dominions. — R.W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, pp. 245, 246.

Five years later, Alexander was poisoned to death. The Czars were under Jesuit attack.

Alexander II broke all diplomatic ties with Rome in 1877 and even proposed a Constitution.

Alexander II had progressed well with his great reforms and had attached his signature to a Constitution to be adopted by Russia. The next day a bomb was thrown at his carriage, which killed and wounded a number of Cossacks, who accompanied the carriage. The Emperor in deep sympathy left the carriage to look at the dying men, when a second bomb blew him to pieces. — Arno Gaebelien, Conflict of the Ages, The Exhorters, p. 85.

Finally, in 1917, the last Czar and all his family were murdered. Never again would a hated emperor from the House of the Romanoff rule Russia or ever again protect the Orthodox Church. Payback time had come.

The overthrow of the Czarist system therefore, brought with it the inevitable overthrow of the established Orthodox Church. To the Vatican, which had waged war against the Orthodox Church since the eleventh century, the downfall of her millenarian rival was too good to be true. — Avro Manhattan, The Vatican Billions, Chick Publications, pp. 120, 121.

Who was it that aided and financed the Russian revolutionaries in their takeover of Russia? Who backed Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin as they created revolution and bloodshed throughout Russia?

The instruments of this new alliance between the Soviets and the Vatican were to be the Jesuits, described as the hereditary enemies of the Orthodox Church. Reportedly, there were large numbers of representatives of the Jesuit Order in Moscow during the Revolution. — James Zatko, Descent into Darkness, University of Notre Dame Press, p. 111.

Among the 1,766,188 victims up to the beginning of 1922, figures obtained from the Soviet documents, nearly five thousand were priests, teachers, nuns, etc. of the Orthodox Church.... Nearly 100,000 Lutherans banished..... Whole villages were wiped out.... Thousands of churches of the different branches have been demolished and the work of destruction goes on...... — Arno Gaebelien, Conflict of the Ages, The Exhorters, pp. 103-106.

The actual Jesuit financiers of the Revolution were to be found in America.

William Franklin Sands, a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, had just contributed $1,000,000 to the Bolsheviks. — Anthony Sutton, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Veritas Publishing, pp. 133, 134.

Jacob Schiff was the principle Jesuit in America who was assigned the task of taking over the American banking system and establishing the Federal Reserve.

Jacob Schiff came to America in the late 1800s with orders from the Rothschilds to get control of the American banking system. By the turn of the century, 1900, Schiff had mastery of the entire banking fraternity on Wall Street. — Myron Fagan, The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations, Taped Lecture.

Since Schiff had control of the Federal Reserve Bank, he now had a source of money to finance the Communist Revolution in Russia.

In the February 3, 1949, issue of the New York Journal American, Schiff’s grandson, John, was quoted by columnist Cholly Knickerbocker as saying that his grandfather [Jacob Schiff] had given about twenty million dollars for the triumph of Communism in Russia. — G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island, American Opinion Publishing, p. 265. The Secret Terrorists, chapter 6 WW1

World War 2

Popes and their Jesuitical agents have been and are the instigators of wars, and while the world is having real pain, Rome is having champagne. — Jeremiah J. Crowley (a former Catholic priest), Romanism: A Menace to the Nation, Menace Publishing, p. 144.

One may say quite specifically that in 1914, the Roman Church started the series of hellish wars. It was then that the tribute of blood which she has always taken from the peoples began to swell into a veritable torrent. — Edmond Paris, The Vatican Against Europe, The Wickliffe Press, p. 48.

Hitler himself admits that he was helped by the methods of the Jesuit counter-Reformation to carry on his ideological war.... [We] have witnessed Catholicism’s open support of every step taken by Nazi-Facism to impose authoritarian regimes upon all peoples. — Leo H Lehman, Behind the Dictators, Agora Publishing, pp. 36, 38, 39.

This is the record of torture and murder committed in Europe in 1941-1943 by an army of Catholic Actionists known as the Ustashi, led by monks and priests, and even participated in by nuns. The victims suffered and died in the cause of liberty and freedom of conscience. The least we can do is to read the record of their sufferings and keep in mind that it happened, not in the dark ages, but in our own ENLIGHTENED generation. Ustashi is another name for Catholic Action. — Monica Farrell, Ravening Wolves, Protestant Publications, cover.

The mass expulsion or forced conversion of the Orthodox Christians to Roman Catholicism was on the agenda. All measures, aiming at the elimination of Serbdom in Croatia were carried out under the slogan enunciated by one of the Croatian ministers: “We shall massacre the first third of the Serbs, expel the second third from the country and force the final third to accept the Catholic faith, whereby they will be absorbed by the Catholic element.” — Lazo M. Kostich, Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia, Liberty, p. 18.

There is a good passage for you from the book, 'The Secret Terrorist' in the chapter on World War 2:

"Why would the Jesuits use Hitler to annihilate the Jews, and then have Jesuit Cardinal Francis Spellman provide a home in Palestine for them? Watch carefully. The Vatican has sought to destroy the Jews for a thousand years.

... behind the Zionist banner there was to be found the ancient Messianic hope for the coming of a global theocracy, as predicted by all the seers and prophets of Zion. It was to be a theocracy in which Jehovah, not Christ, was to be King.

The spectre of the creation of such a theocracy has haunted the inner chambers of the Catholic church from her earliest inception, and still is a dominant fear.

In Vatican eyes, therefore, the millenarian yearning for a global Hebrew theocracy, represents a deadly threat to the eschatological teachings of the Catholic church. When translated into concrete political terms, such a view spells not only rivalry, but implacable enmity. — Avro Manhattan, The Vatican Moscow Washington Alliance, Ozark Books, pp. 169, 170.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:26 AM
Summary of Chapter 14 'the Occult Queen of Heaven' (from the book, 'Petrus Romanus the final pope is here')

January 1, 2012, Pope Benedict XVI audaciously declared:
“Mary is the mother and model of the Church"... “Like Mary, the Church is the mediator of God’s blessing for the world. Pope Benedict XVI, “Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God” The Vatican Today, January 1, 2012

Perhaps the clearest evidence that the Catholic view of Mary is legendary rather than historical is how the Marian mythology has evolved over time. Whereas the doctrine of Christ has remained stable since the early creeds, Marian dogma continues to evolve: 1) in 431, she was called the “Mother of God”; 2) by 600, prayers were officially offered to Mary; 3) in 649, Pope Martin I stressed the perpetual nature of Mary’s virginity declaring her the “blessed ever-virginal and immaculate Mary”; 4) in 1854 came the dogmatic assertion of the Immaculate Conception (that she was born sinless); 5) in 1950, we have the Assumption of Mary (her body was taken to heaven); 6) as recently as 1965, she was proclaimed “Mother of the Church”; 7) currently there is an earnest campaign to proclaim Mary as “Co-Redemptrix Mediatrix of All Graces” and “Advocate for the People of God.”
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6276-6282)

Perpetual Virginity
At the Lateran Synod of AD 649 when Pope Martin I decreed:

“blessed ever-virginal and immaculate Mary” and that, “she conceived without seed, of the Holy Ghost, generated without injury (to her virginity), and her virginity continued unimpaired after the birth.”
Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (St. Louis: B. Herder Book Company, 1957), p.203

Perpetual Sinlessness
Official Roman literature states:

“In consequence of a Special Privilege of Grace from God, Mary was free from every personal sin during her whole life.” Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p.203

Romanists make an absurd assertion that:

“Mary gave birth in miraculous fashion without any opening of her womb and injury to her body and without pain.” John Saward, Cradle of Redeeming Love: The Theology of the Christmas Mystery (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2002), 206.

According to the papists:

“Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son.” Lunem Gentum 66 Vatican Council II, viewable here: last accessed January 24, 2012

Immaculate Conception (of Mary)
This is quoted directly from the papal bull “Ineffabilis” which was delivered on December 8, 1854. Ineffable means it so sacred, divine, and transcendent that it is hard to express in words. This document is even called ineffabilis deus meaning God’s ineffable declaration.

“The Most Holy Virgin Mary was, in the first moment of her conception, by a unique gift of grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin." Pope Pius IX, The Immaculate Conception, as quoted in Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 199.

Assumption of Mary
On November 1, 1950, Pope Pius XII promulgated the “Munificentissimus Deus” as divinely revealed doctrine that:

“Mary, the immaculate perpetually Virgin Mother of God, after the completion of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into the glory of Heaven” Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p.208

Historically, this seems to be a clear case of pagan goddess legends which infiltrated the Roman Church. The oldest manuscript fragments of the legend are in Syriac, dating to the fifth century, and the oldest quotation is a sentence in a homily of Eusebius of Alexandria from the late fourth century. (source: Esbroeck, “Assumption of the Virgin,” as quoted in The Anchor Bible Dictionary ed. David Noel Freedman (New York, NY: Doubleday, 1996), 6:856)

Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6402-6405). Defender Publishing LLC. Kindle Edition.


Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas representing “The Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen” states emphatically that, “Catholics do not, as Protestants falsely believe, worship the Blessed Virgin Mary.”[498] While a brief look around his website will convince most folks of how disingenuous that is, Catholic apologists engage in quite a lot of sophistry when they argue that Mary is not worshipped. They attempt to obfuscate their blatant idolatry by means of artificial and contrived distinctions. First, there is lateria, the sacrificial worship of God. This is a legitimate use of the Greek term, as latreia is used in Scripture for worship, ministry, or service to God.[499] Second, there is douleia which ostensibly refers to the worship of saints and angels. Both of these practices are explicitly condemned in Scripture (Lev 20:6; Col 2:18). But far above saints and angels they certainly do worship Mary. This constitutes the third category, hyperdouleia, which is the enhanced exclusive worship of Mary. Interestingly, the word douleia in the New Testament is always used for slavery, bondage, or subservience.[500] While enslavement seems particularly apt in this case, the superficial system of distinction only serves as a red herring for Rome’s apologists.
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6438-6453).

Does this prayer by Pope Pius XII sound like worship?

Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.

O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!

O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.

Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen. Scott P. Richert, “Prayer of Pope Pius XII: In Honor of the Immaculate Conception,” last accessed January 5, 2012

Perhaps consider if this officially sanctioned work The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonse Liquori, qualifies as worship:

HAIL, holy Queen, Mother of mercy.
Hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve;
To thee do we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us.
And after this our exile show unto us
the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
V. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Liquori, “The Glories of Mary: An Explanation of Salve Regina,” 1931, Catholic Tradition, last accessed January 5, 2012

Mediatrix & Coredemptrix

Mary was given the title “Mediatrix” in the above cited bull “Ineffabilis” of Pope Pius IX, the same document that proclaimed her immaculate conception. In 2012, Pope Benedict XVI affirmed this blasphemy in the statement quoted at the beginning of this chapter when he referred to her as “the mediator of God’s blessing for the world.” Rome’s theologians argue it is an inference from her role in the incarnation of the God-man Christ Jesus. They further claim she had a role in His sacrifice on the cross to God the Father for the sake of the redemption of mankind. While there is nothing in the Bible to support it, they extend the role to the more demanding sense that, after her death, “Mary’s intercessory co-operation extends to all graces, which are conferred on mankind, so that no grace accrues to men, without the intercession of Mary.” (source: Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p.213)
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6506-6514)

Roman Dogma

“From that great treasure of all graces, which the Lord has brought, nothing, according to the will of God, comes to us except through Mary, so that, as nobody can approach the Supreme Father except through the Son, similarly nobody can approach Christ except through the Mother.” —Pope Leo 13th (source: Pope Leo XIII, Rosary Encyclical, “Octobri mense” (1891) as quoted in Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 213)

"All our hope do we repose in the most Blessed Virgin—in the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world: in her who is the glory of the prophets and apostles, the honor of the martyrs, the crown and joy of all the saints.” —Pope Pius IX
Pope Pius IX, “Ineffabilis Deus,” Papal Encyclicals Online, December 8, 1854, viewable here: last accessed January 5, 2012

"In the power of the grace of Redemption merited by Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her Divine Son for men, made atonement for the sins of men, and (de congruo) merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner she co-operates in the subjective redemption of mankind.” (source: Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p.213)

"Mary is the Mediatrix of all graces by her intercession in Heaven (Mediatio in speciali). Since her assumption into Heaven, Mary co-operates in the application of the grace of Redemption to man.” (source: Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p.213)

Official Catholic sources have formulated it in even more blasphemous language as:

“There is one Mediator between Christ and men, the Holy Mother Mary. Mary is the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to Jesus but by Mary.” (source: Walter Martin, The Roman Catholic Church in History (Livingston, NJ: Christian Research Institute, 1960), p.49)

In a 1918, Pope Benedict XV wrote:

As the blessed Virgin Mary does not seem to participate in the public life of Jesus Christ, and then, suddenly appears at the stations of his cross, she is not there without divine intention. She suffers with her suffering and dying son, almost as if she would have died herself. For the salvation of mankind, she gave up her rights as the mother of her son and sacrificed him for the reconciliation of divine justice, as far as she was permitted to do. Therefore, one can say, she redeemed with Christ the human race. (source: Pope Benedict XV, Apostolic Letter Inter Soldalica, AAS 1918, p.181)

The majority of Romanists now position the imposter as “Coredemptrix,” implying that she is involved in the task of saving sinners. While savvy Catholic theologians are hesitant to sign on, the title is tacitly approved by the Catholic Magisterium.

According to a 1997 Newsweek cover story, Pope John Paul II had “received 4,340,429 signatures from 157 countries—an average of 100,000 a month—supporting the proposed dogma. Among the notable supporters are Mother Teresa of Calcutta, nearly 500 bishops and 42 cardinals, including John O’Connor of New York, Joseph Glemp of Poland and half a dozen cardinals at the Vatican itself.”[510] The Marian phenomenon has increased significantly since then and it seems the only reason the title has not been officially dogmatized is in deference to ecumenism. The apparition that appears to thousands now calls itself the “Coredemptrix.”[511] Clearly, this phantom femme fatale is an ambitious usurper of Christ’s unique and incomparable role. This is unmistakably in the spirit of antichrist.
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6579-6587).

Marian Apparitions

Today it seems the Marian phantasm dictates Rome’s new dogma as the pressure continues to mount for her official exaltation as “Coredemptrix.” In some circles, the Marian phantom is worshipped far more than Christ and this can be demonstrated to have evolved tactically. The poseur presents herself as the immaculate sinless Coredemptrix “Queen of Heaven” endowed with incomparable compassion for sinners. She beguiles would-be Christians with a feminine gentleness they find irresistible.
Marian apparitions appear all over the world affirming Rome’s unbiblical mythology. Every year, nearly 6 million pilgrims visit the site where “Our Lady of Lourdes” appeared to a fourteen-year-old girl in Lourdes, France.ÿ[516] The impressionable teenager, Bernadette Soubirous, was canonized as a saint in 1933, heralded as a mystic and was even given her own feast day on the sixteenth of April. Fátima, Portugal boasts nearly 5 million worshippers a year and controversy rages concerning the cryptic apocalyptic messages actual content. In war-ravaged Bosnia-Herzegovina, over 30 million pilgrims have visited Medjugorje since the apparitions began in 1981.[517] Even so, the “spiritual leader” of the six channeler children, a Franciscan monk, Father Tomislav Vlasic, allegedly impregnated a nun and then abandoned her for a new mistress at his Marian cult compound and is described by the press as a “modern-day Rasputin with a taste for sex and séances.”[518] Poland’s “Our Lady of Czestochowa” shrine hosts over 5 million travelers a year.[519]ÿ “Our Lady of Knock” in Knock, Ireland has been endorsed by four recent popes and draws millions to visit the “Apparition Gable.”[520] In Amsterdam, “Our Lady of the Nations” has demanded the pope declare her “Coredemptrix” with support of prominent Cardinals, bishops, priests, and thousands of devotees from over seventy countries.[521] While she heralds from Rome, the phantasmal dogma-matrix is not limited to Europe.

Mariolatry has a virtual stranglehold on Latin America as each year, some 15 to 20 million devotees visit a single shrine in Guadalupe, Mexico.[522] In Sabana Grande, Puerto Rico, “Our Lady of the Rosary” draws one hundred thousand pilgrims each year prompting plans to build a Mystical City complex boasting a gargantuan statue of Mary said to exceed the statue of Liberty in size. The Puerto Rican faithful have been described as a cult whose leaders advocate extreme acts of penance such as kneeling on pieces of sharp corrugated metal during prayer.[523] In America, a chapel in Wisconsin where the entity self-identified as the “Queen of Heaven” in 1861 was approved by Rome as an officially recognized Marian site.[524] Accordingly, attendance has, “grown tenfold, growing from an average 75 to 100 visitors a day to between 500 to 800, including daily bus tours.”[525] In Conyers, Georgia, Marian channeler Nancy Fowler has received up to one hundred thousand visitors to her farm on a single day.[526] Emmitsburg, Maryland hosts the “Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes” attracting in excess of five hundred thousand per year and is referred to as a National Shrine and hosts Mount St. Mary’s University and Seminary.[527] These are a mere sampling; it is beyond the scope of this work to catalog the full scope of the cult. It is enormous.
Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6605-6655). Defender Publishing LLC. Kindle Edition.

[Islamic Connection]

It just cannot be denied that the Marian apparitions appear to be leading the world down the primrose path to the prophesied one-world spirituality. For instance, the phantom-femme announced at Medjugorje, “Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and I. You are all my children.”(source: J. Beyer, Medjugorje Day By Day (Notre Dame, IN: Ave Maria Press, 1993, April 6th meditation), as cited in Jim Tetlow, “Queen of All,” Journal of Biblical Apologetics, p.70).This message of unity has great sentimental appeal to the postmodern pluralistic worldview but it offers little as to how such contradictory religions can all be true.

This universal appeal makes the “Our Lady of Nations” message of global peace a prime piece in the end-time puzzle. Pastor Charles Dickson expresses this colorfully in his book A Protestant Pastor Looks at Mary:

A Muslim student visiting Rome wants especially to see the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore. Surprised? The poetry of a Syrian mystic is replete with Marian devotion. Surprised? Martin Luther recommended prayer to Mary. Surprised? An American Pentecostalist minister begins to visit shrines of Marian apparitions. Surprised? Muslims refer to Mary as il-Sittneh, or Our Lady. Surprised? A chapter in the Koran is named after her. Surprised? Mary’s deep kindness as a mother is portrayed in Chinese art. Surprised? And now a presbyterian minister has written a book recommending praying the rosary. Still surprised? …a closer investigation of both past history and current events points out that Mary has a universal appeal that transcends our cultural, geographical, and even religious boundaries. (source: Charles Dickson, A Protestant Pastor Looks at Mary, p.600

Horn, Thomas R.; Putnam, Cris D. (2012-04-15). Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here (Kindle Locations 6698-6714).

[end of chapter summary]
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:52 AM
Some more info gathered on the goddess 'mary':

The self proclaimed false goddess 'the queen of heaven' Ishtar/Istar (Ashtoreth, Astrate), aka according to top Satanist Crowley in reference to his masculine/feminine dual aspected/natured deity this 'perfected man', is Mary, Isis, Bhavani, Artemis and Diana, are other names for its 'feminine' sided nature.
p. 635, Chapter 67 'Confessions' by Aleister Crowley

Some titles of the Babylonian goddess sounds awefully similar to what the Catholic Church were calling Mary:

Inanna (sumerian name), Astarte (kanaanäic name), Arinna (hethitic sun goddess), Tanit (karthargic name). Babylonian scriptures called her the "Light of the World", the Light-bringer, Leader of Hosts, Opener of the Womb, Righteous Judge, Lawgiver, Goddess of Goddesses, Bestower of Strength, Framer of All decress, Lady of Victory, Forgiver of Sins, Torch of Heaven and Earth.

Many are her sacred titles - "Exalted Light of Heaven", "She Who Begets All", "Guardian of the Law" and "Shepherdess of the Lands"

Who do the Scottish-Rite Masons (who the Jesuits control) say is the 'Light-bringer', one of the titles of this 'goddess':

"Lucifer, the Light-Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogmas p.321 - source book of Scottish Right Freemason doctrine

What kind of activity does this seemingly harmless goddess like to get involved in?

Tanit was then seen as demanding child sacrifice
The cemetery at Carthage was in use from around 700 BCE to 146 BCE. It contained over 20,000 urns holding the cremated bones of young humans and animals, 80% of which were fetuses or neonates (Aubet 2001: 251-252; Schwartz 1993:49). The accepted scholarship agrees with the excavators that the bones are the result of thousands of sacrifices, especially since the inscriptions were mostly votive; that is, they indicated that the depositors owed the deities a return for a favor. source

216 - The Islamic Connection (to the Roman Catholic Church)
Author: Dr. Walter J. Veith (former Professor of Zoology now Adventist preacher from my Church)
Description: This topic has puzzled numerous expositors. How does Islam fit into the picture of global conflict? Is this a political, religious, or religio-political conflict? What is its origin and what are its goals? How does it impact on ecumenism and on the doctrine of salvation in Christ? Find out in this informative video. A clear line is drawn through history, showing that the reality is more startling than the theory.

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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:38 AM
Clearly, according to the Quran, Allah is not a moon god.

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." [Quran 41:37]

And what is the purpose of the moon in Islam?

They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage (Qur'ân 2:189)

Emphasis mine.

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:57 AM
Wow that was one ELABORATE tale you have spewn OP, if nothing, I should give you credit for the amount of imagination you've put into it.

However, did you know that according to the language Jesus himself used (Aramaic), the word 'god' is pronounced as 'Allah'???

Don't believe me?

Go here:
English-Aramaic Dictionary

Type 'god' and then you'll see exactly what I mean

So where do you figure does that fit in your elaborate conspiracy hmm????
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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:57 AM
Wow, that is one HUUUGE info-dump, JesuitGarlic.

Also, nusnus, it seems your link has run foul of the forum's censors.

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:44 AM
“But after the death of Fatima (Muhammad’s daughter), Muhammad wrote,

‘Thou shall be the most blessed of all women in paradise after Mary.’”

The Marian apparitions, including the ones in Egypt and Africa, have an underlying message. According to Mary, this message is, “All religions are the same. We are the ones causing division.” This message is easily identified under the third hallmark of a false religion, namely, “Provides a Broad Road to Salvation.” Mary’s message is proven invalid because it contradicts Scripture. The only way to God is through Jesus (John 14:6). Since it is clearly demonstrated to be a false message, we can conclude that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was not the one delivering the message. Mary would never contradict her Son.

According to a British-Catholic magazine, “A Marian revival is spreading throughout Africa with alleged apparitions of Mary, finding a following among the Muslims.” Although African Muslims are supposedly seeing apparitions of the Virgin Mary, they “are not required to become Christians to follow her.”

Most of the spectators who witnessed the Marian apparitions in Zeitoun, Egypt, were Muslim. This apparition of Mary appeared for several nights each week for years and was viewed by millions of Muslims.source


This 'moon god' link to Islam is pretty tenuous....if you want to get people thinking then I'd go more down the route of Muhammad fulfilling the criteria of being demonically possessed so therefore we can't trust what is written in the Koran is about God at all, but rather the jinn trying to set up a false religion for people to be led astray with. Also, the way Muhammad dies seems to show according to Allah that he was a false prophet...

Muhammad's Condition in Light of the Biblical Description of Demonic Possession (Part 1) (14:46 mins)

Muhammad's Condition in Light of the Biblical Description of Demonic Possession (Part 2) (12:26 mins)

Fully referenced accompanying article

According to Qur'an 69:44-46, if Muhammad were a false prophet, Allah would sever his aorta. Interestingly, when Muhammad died, he said he could feel his sorta being severed.

Who Killed Muhammad?(24 mins)

Dude, Who killed my prophet? (2 mins)

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:46 AM

Originally posted by babloyi
Wow, that is one HUUUGE info-dump, JesuitGarlic.

Yes, but what did you think of the information....heaps of it is from historians and ex-catholic priests

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 07:57 AM
reply to post by nusnus

My God in Aramaic is "Eli".

Eliyahu (Elijah): "My God is YAH" (YHVH)

Eli Eli lama sabathini: "My God, my God, why forsake me?"

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:09 AM
This thread has allot of info and is well presented. I just wanted to throw a link to a thread I was working on that can offer a little info I think is relevant to the discussion here. I do not want to take away from it, just add what I have researched myself.

If anyone would like to offer the information presented there in this thread please do. The other thread is done and I just wanted to keep this discussion going.

a couple things.

What does the Mt Sinai chosen by emperor Constantine's mother have to do with cementing the Marian worship by linking it with Mt St. Catherine? Through the mother we reach God?

What does the Marian devotion of pope John Paul 2nd have to do with the prophecies of Fatima, mainly the third?

What does the virgin birth of Mary by Anne mean in terms of forming an alternate God head?
What does the trinity, invented in the 4th century in Nicea have to do with the triple goddess deity worshiped in the Sinai valley?

I have other questions I need clarification on but I would like to start with these.


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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:16 AM

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by queenofangels_17

Using the quran to prove the quran is not a valid argument, sorry.

You say that god created man only for man to worship him? That seems a bit selfish don't you think? Why would an omnipotent, benevolent, and infallible god even require our worship? If he doesn't require it and forces it on us with penalty being us suffering for eternity, that seems to me like a cruel dictator, not a loving god. God would have no need for our worship if he indeed does exist.

Yeah, that is kinda like using the Bible to prove the Bible, and we see a lot of that in here. The word "Worship" original meaning was "to work for," so, in effect, Enki and Enil and crew created us as a slave race, to work for them. Allah is no more a real God than Yahweh.

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:18 AM
reply to post by autowrench

food for thought....the word love....that is "amar"....originally meant to be master of.

Te amo....means I own you .....I love you originally meant....I own you...

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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:23 AM
reply to post by BIHOTZ

Um, the Trinity was not invented in Nicaea in the 4th century. They didn't vote to make Christ God, they voted on how to define His deity. Huge difference. The entire reason for the council was because a presbytizer named Arius began teaching that Christ was NOT God in the flesh but in fact a created being.

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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:25 AM
I thought I might throw this in here.

Sinai looks like nothing so much as the surface of the moon. So the theory says that the name Sinai derived from the lunar deity Sin. Early inhabitants, worshipping the Trinity: Sin (Moon), Shamash (Sun) and Ishtar (Venus) named the peninsular after the moon-god Sin.

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:26 AM
reply to post by NOTurTypical

then how come the word trinity does not appear in scripture? In fact the concept is entirely pagan. Jesus never said anything about it,.....he said God is ONE and true God.

posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 08:35 AM

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by NOTurTypical

then how come the word trinity does not appear in scripture? In fact the concept is entirely pagan. Jesus never said anything about it,.....he said God is ONE and true God.

God is One. We call God "Him" not "Them". All 3 we present at the baptism of Christ.

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