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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ACTS 2:38
That was the most unoriginal, intellectually deprived answer I have seen on this thread. If you can't think for yourself, GTFO...please.
Oh, and I totally want to serve a god whose name is Jealous. That's not a loving name at all, and yet I want to give my soul to him. Yeah. Right. Friggin' knuckleheads...I don't want to give my soul to anyone. God wants my soul, Satan wants my soul, both of 'em can suck it.edit on 6-7-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Rom.3
[4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by grahag
If there's a God that created us and he gave us the ability to make ourselves Gods, do you think that he might have made a mistake?
If so, then it must be a mistake for us as parents to want our children to be as good or better than we are.
What do you wish for your children?
Would God want less for his?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by autowrench
In the Genesis story of Creation, it is clear there are more than one present. Were these really Gods? Doubtful.
That would, in fact, be the very part I was referring to.
Are you speaking on the part, where he says let's create man like us in our image?
That would, in fact, be the very part I was referring to
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread858007/pg1#pid14478520]
So, was it evil that we became like those who created us? Will they be disappointed in us when they return? Or will they delight in our killings and destructions? I guess we will see.
I guess it would depend on how you define the word "God." In the Genesis story of Creation, it is clear there are more than one present. Were these really Gods? Doubtful.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Greatest I am
No. Humankind cannot be relied upon to dictate morals...this is the reason morals had to come from without, and not within. Do you think a man would have taken orders and been told exactly what his morals should be if it came from another man? No, he would have demanded to know what makes this man know more than other men, or more important than other men, that he can say what morals are right and what is wrong.
That's why they needed a God. Constantine himself admits the Bible is a collaboration of dozens of myths from other faiths, and you need only do the research to find that Jesus' story is repeated, in paraphrase, by another document in the British museum...a document that predates ANY Biblical record by over 1,000 years.
My point here is that morals are one reason the Bible was necessary, word of God or no. No mortal man would have been able to successfully establish such a code; a god, however, is another matter entirely. Remember, these people lived in superstitious times, when Thor was believed to be the god of thunder and you musty offer milk to appease the pestilence fairies. In all honesty, it was a rather clever game of chess. Unfortunately, people look at the game and see only the cover story. Why? Because it offers hope, and an escape from the hopelessness of controlling everything in life. It offers a deal: behave, or you suffer eternal damnation. As an unruly species, perhaps that was best...at the time, anyway.
So I believe the phrase here is: CHECKMATE.
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by grahag
If there's a God that created us and he gave us the ability to make ourselves Gods, do you think that he might have made a mistake?
If so, then it must be a mistake for us as parents to want our children to be as good or better than we are.
What do you wish for your children?
Would God want less for his?
Regards
DL
That's exactly the way I see it. If God is perfect, and he made us able to achieve Godly status, then it's not evil.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by autowrench
I guess it would depend on how you define the word "God." In the Genesis story of Creation, it is clear there are more than one present. Were these really Gods? Doubtful.
In the interest of making everyone aware of the all-around context, so as to not work with an incomplete database of interpretations and definitions, I'd like to add something here.
When the word "elohim" was used, some say it was in reference to the supposition that there were Three and One in the Beginning. The spirit, which was with the Father, and the Son, which was the Father. So basically, a guy with multiple personalities and a ghost. Plural, therefore Elohim, otherwise known as god. The thing is, without the Father, there is no holy ghost.
So now, we have a sanctified ghost with multiple personalities. Seems legit.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Greatest I am
OK, God is evil and you as the "Greatest I am" can replace him as the good God, since you are God's judge. There you go, see where that get's you... hey ya never know, since the Bible God is so evil and you're such a perfect judge, maybe it's time for a replacement, oh great one.
Where do morals come from?
Do they not come from interactions between those of the same species?
For instance, where do lions learn how to act around lions and who or what is a lions God?
It will be other lions. Right?
The same with any animal. They learn how they should act by acting within their group. Right?
Now. God is said to be only one of his kind.
Where did he learn his morals? Why would he even need to develop morals being all alone and especially, where did he learn how corporeal man should act and be when he is not even corporeal?
That you then have the audacity after declaring every facet of the Biblical God "evil", to call yourself "the Greatest I am" is absurd, ridiculous and more than a little arrogant and highly distasteful.
that he died to cover your sins as well regardless of what you think or believe.
When the word "elohim" was used, some say it was in reference to the supposition that there were Three and One in the Beginning.
source
The word is identical to the usual plural of el meaning gods or magistrates, and is cognate to the 'l-h-m found in Ugaritic, where it is used for the pantheon of Canaanite Gods, the children of El and conventionally vocalized as "Elohim" even though this is a speculation as Ugaritic as a consonantal written language only recorded consonants. Most use of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that is at least monolatrist at the time of writing, and such usage (in the singular), as a proper title for the supreme deity, is generally not considered to be synonymous with the term elohim, "gods" (plural, simple noun). Hebrew grammar allows for this nominally-plural form to mean "He is the Power (singular) over powers (plural)", or roughly, "God of gods". Rabbinic scholar Maimonides wrote that the various other usages are commonly understood to be homonyms. The plural form ending in -im can also be understood as denoting abstraction, as in the Hebrew words chayyim ("life") or betulim ("virginity"). If understood this way, Elohim means "divinity" or "deity".