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Is becoming like God evil?

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Is becoming like God evil?

I would like to restrict giving God any other attribute except for knowing good and evil in this thread. Just for simplicity.

I have two quotes I would like you to consider.

“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.”

“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

Knowing good and evil is the same as developing or gaining a moral sense. This is something that all governments and religions wish to develop in us and seems like a good idea to me.

If being perfect like God means that we must have the knowledge of good and evil, then Adam and Eve had to eat of the tree of knowledge ---- if they were to accomplish what most seem to think is a worthy goal. Morals. As God says in Eden, such is to have your eyes opened. A good thing IOW.

In the Jewish view, A & E did the right thing and they name it our elevation. In the Christian view, they did the wrong thing and call it our fall.

Is becoming as Gods, in the moral sense, an evil thing?

If so, please explain what is evil about developing a moral sense and following scriptures that tell us to be as Gods.

Regards
DL




posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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I would think if becoming 'like god' was evil, then Michael would be the devil instead of revered as an archangel on the side of the lord, IMO



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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I would like to restrict giving God any other attribute except for knowing good and evil in this thread. Just for simplicity.


Does anyone in this thread have a good definition of "good" and "evil"? Allow me to share mine:

Good: to serve all others at the cost of the self.

Evil: to serve the self at the cost of all others.


“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.”

“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”


Do you even know what "perfect" is? Perfection is the complete lack of desire or wanting...which is why most people are never perfect.


Knowing good and evil is the same as developing or gaining a moral sense. This is something that all governments and religions wish to develop in us and seems like a good idea to me.


Knowing good and evil is knowing what each does and how each affects the world in the long run. Evil, to the average person, is anything they don't like or wouldn't do. Good is anything they admire or approve of. Until we eliminate our own emotions from the equation, we cannot truly understand these things.


Is becoming as Gods, in the moral sense, an evil thing?


Is becoming President an evil thing? The only true evil or true good is an action. Only actions can be qualified as such., unless the object in question was designed for a specific action and can do nothing else.


In my honest opinion, I think that if/when we become gods, we'll leave the whole "good and evil" thing behind...because really, we never knew enough about it to begin with. And gods understand exactly what it's all about.



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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Firstly, the God in the Old Testament was far from perfect, as He on several occassions did not only need the help from "mere" Humans for various tasks, but also were unable to predict what they would do.

Secondly, there could also be another reason for why the God(S) in the Old Testament did not want Man to reach their level, namely Jealousy;


I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me


Yahweh made very clear that He expected to be worshipped as a God;


And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians


And, if the Humans reached His level, then whom would worship Him?
In other words, merely using simple Psychology would be enough to conclude that plain jealousy very well could be a fully plausible reason for the question posed in the OP.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Is becoming like God evil?

I would like to restrict giving God any other attribute except for knowing good and evil in this thread. Just for simplicity.


"Just for simplicity..." my @$$...

I see an agenda that smells horribly familiar here on ATS...



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Not really. OP is just saying that for simplicity's sake, all you need to be a god is a perfect knowledge of good and evil. Then OP proposed the idea that possessing such knowledge is evil.

And if you answered "no" then the obvious conclusion is that there was no need to punish Adam and Eve for eating the apple.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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Is becoming like God evil?

From the Christian perspective, aspiring to be like God is. Someone else tried that, and got kicked out of heaven.



“Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.”

The man became like "us" in the sense that he made a choice to obey or disobey God. To transgress God's command, or to keep it.
1John 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.




“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

To understand this, it needs to be read in context with the rest of Matthew chapter 5. Perfection here, refers to imitating God's character. Or more specifically, the character Jesus displayed openly while he walked upon the earth.



Knowing good and evil is the same as developing or gaining a moral sense.

For Christians, moral sense or compass, boils down to discerning and following God's will daily. Determining right and wrong from God's perspective, not ours.



This is something that all governments and religions wish to develop in us and seems like a good idea to me.

Actually, they only want to develop their version of a moral compass in us.



If being perfect like God means that we must have the knowledge of good and evil, then Adam and Eve had to eat of the tree of knowledge ---- if they were to accomplish what most seem to think is a worthy goal. Morals. As God says in Eden, such is to have your eyes opened. A good thing IOW.

See above. The verse is being taken out of context.



In the Jewish view, A & E did the right thing and they name it our elevation. In the Christian view, they did the wrong thing and call it our fall.

FALL because they disobeyed God.



Is becoming as Gods, in the moral sense, an evil thing?

Yes, because for the Christian, all morals and ethics originate with God. Apart from him, morals and ethics become situational rather than constant.



If so, please explain what is evil about developing a moral sense and following scriptures that tell us to be as Gods.

Where exactly does the bible tell Christians to be "as gods"?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Where exactly does the bible tell Christians to be "as gods"?


Jesus quotes from Psalm 82... stating "we are Gods"...

But not the same as the one true God...

We're parts of him... and as you stated... we should emulate the example God gave us...

Great reply btw



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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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If there's a God that created us and he gave us the ability to make ourselves Gods, do you think that he might have made a mistake?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Nope...




posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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No, not evil at all……

You have as good a chance as any person at any at becoming a ‘god’ – just write a book about why you should control and manipulate people whilst spreading fear and hatred.

It will be a best seller for sure; people will follow you blindly and will kill others in your name…. that sounds cool doesn’t it?

Mickierocksman



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

Knowing good and evil is the same as developing or gaining a moral sense.

Knowing, in the Genesis Eden story implies carrying out evil as a skill.
Perfect in Matthew implies completeness, as having reached a goal, to be the person you were meant to be.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Klassified
 



Where exactly does the bible tell Christians to be "as gods"?


Jesus quotes from Psalm 82... stating "we are Gods"...

But not the same as the one true God...

We're parts of him... and as you stated... we should emulate the example God gave us...

Great reply btw



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Well, He did not say we are gods, but ye(You);


Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.


Another example of how different indeed Jesus and Yahweh are to each other.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Well, He did not say we are gods, but ye(You);

That's right, it is a statement about the rulers, who were opposing Jesus, and a sort of back-handed insult, referring to a verse describing the poor performance of the country's leadership that led to its ultimate overthrow. (so you see history repeating itself)
The analogy Jesus was making there is similar to when he said the Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses.

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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Yes for that is what the devil tempted Eve with




Genesis 3:

[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
[6] And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
[7] And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


If one can understand that there are many gods for the Bible which is the Holy Word of God with out any errors tell us so. It is also stated that




Exodus 34:

[14] For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


So in by the word of God yes becoming a god is evil.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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That was the most unoriginal, intellectually deprived answer I have seen on this thread. If you can't think for yourself, GTFO...please.


Oh, and I totally want to serve a god whose name is Jealous. That's not a loving name at all, and yet I want to give my soul to him. Yeah. Right. Friggin' knuckleheads...I don't want to give my soul to anyone. God wants my soul, Satan wants my soul, both of 'em can suck it.
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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mark 10:18



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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No, someone aspired to be better. Someone aspired to be like God, or of equal level, and God did exactly what the Nazis would do: kick the motherf***er out. Why? Because He was afraid of no longer being the head honcho, of no longer being the most powerful, the most special.

And when you see it that way, suddenly He isn't quite so admirable, is he? Someone decided to improve themself, He saw the possibility of having company in his lofty throne, and He got jealous. Again, God is a jealous god...imagine if you have something he wants, eh? You don't matter. He wants it, he gets it.

People have shown again and again that as long as their lives are taken care of, they'll give up anything.



posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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I hear ya. But I was trying to answer the OP's questions from a Christian perspective, and help him understand their doctrine from a simplistic viewpoint.


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posted on Jul, 6 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Indeed, the text in that Psalm, and other places use the word Eloheem(Elohim) meaning gods. The word used for the judges of Israel is the same word. Good catch.



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