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Originally posted by Lannister
reply to post by redneck13
I fail to see why the conflict in the middle east that has been going on forever is any of our concern? Why must American soldiers fight this war? Is this really about fear of America becoming muslim? Really? Bomb the brown people into submission to stop the spread of their evil religion? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? How childish that is?
...so really I wasn't too far off 3 posts ago when I said this was nothing more than the continuation of a 2000 year old holy war? Then I was told to shut up right? Silence the truth is it?
Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by Submarines
The UN/US don't have the right to sanction Iran in advance over Nuclear Weapons. The UN/US do not have the right to stop a sovereign nation from persueing nuclear energy especially when the ones dictating already have an arsenal of nuclear weapons... But they still do.. I hope they close it..
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by WorkingClassMan
We have not attacked Iran and sanctions are not an act of war, no matter how many time people who ignore the facts want to repeat it in hopes of making it that.
Missing any top secret military equipment lately, violated any international laws you are so fond of.
"No one has been attacked"
Iran with it's Dead scientists, broken computers and crippled economy would beg to differ
No country is under attack.
You mean America is not under attack anyone else doesn't count.
Again its not, its called economic sanctions (Bi lateral), its legal under international law and is not an act of war. Again repeating something that has already been disproved does not make it a war.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet & a polished turd is still a turd.
A country refusing to deal with someone is sanctions, a country using various means to make sure all other key players do the same in order to force a country to submit to their will is WAR, try it with a real opponent and you will learn that the hard way.
Repeating nothing to see here move along does not mean there is nothing to see.
Originally posted by WorkingClassMan
That's right Iran can never do any wrong and have never engaged in actions against another nation in a clandestine manner.
You just lost 1000 hit points and all credibility, where did I even insinuate such a thing let alone state it. Assad can burn in hell I just hope there a few key yank along for the ride.
Secondly, as I stated to another poster I state to you now, read the entire thread before picking and choosing and only seeing what you want. I used the analogy with trade, Iran and Israel because people who are woefully uneducated in this area claim a nation commits and act of war by refusing to do business with another. I pointed out Iran has this stance towards Israel, yet for those same people, and now you, its not the same thing.
Hypocritical much?
Not at all you?
You used a piss poor analogy to try to make these actions seem different from what they are, an act of war and you called on the BS statement it was.
Originally posted by WorkingClassMan
When you lay it out a little clearer yes 100% Israel or America would consider such actions an act of war.
Someone likened this to closing the gulf of Mexico, well sorry if US was in Irans position I highly doubt oil tankers would be cruising just off the coast of Mexico on rout to Iran.
There is now war...
The actions of the US are legal; under international law.
The US is not the only nation involved, nor it is restricted to just EU or NATO countries.
Please take the time to get all of the conversation before posting. This way I wont have to go back and constantly explain the parts you missed.
Take the time to educate your self before responding, the reason there is no war yet is cause Iran has shown restraint and cause the typically the US is picking on the little guy who is hesitant to throw a punch but soon will be left with no other option.
Since when does America care about whats legal. Illegally invade any sovereign nations under the excuse of typical American lies lately.
That would be fine if these countries did this without American influence but I srsly hope you don't think US had nothing to do with coercing their compliance, last time I checked America got pissed when others ignored their calls and were lapping up cheap oil or helping Iran circumvent the sanctions, and as I keep telling you that is why these are not sanctions but acts of WAR.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
And Israel has had to live with the threat of being wiped off the map on a weekly basis from Iran as well as Hamas, Hezzbullah and other groups supported by Iran.
The attempted attacks on US / Israeli diplomats was what if not a retaliation? The recent arrest of Iranians in Africa planning to attack US / Israeli targets is what if not retaliation?
Then maybe you should try and look at it from the other side of the fence. It is not out of the realm of possibility for a nuke to be sold to a group who wants to test it in Israel or the US. A nuclear armed Iran is very much a threat to the US, as well as other countries on the globe.
Originally posted by Lannister
Do we really need for people to claim the US has attacked Iran without it even occuring yet? The straights are still open as of now.
Ah yes the typical Israel zionist distinction by those who are blind. If you remove the "Zionist" government do you really think Arab countries are going to allow a new Israeli government to be elected? No they wont. Eliminating the Zionists, eliminates Israel.
I have alrady linked to sources where Iran has threatened the existence of Israel. Since the topic is about Iran I refer you to any number of those threads on this site for your reference.
Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Predicts Israel's Destruction
Ayatollah Khamenei defends 'wiping out Israel' remarks
Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by Lannister
This is what happens when civilizations collide. We have always done this since we wiped out any of our closest relatives and competitors. A civilization is moving itself into the past and deep-seated hate, the divide grows and the enviable happens. There is a cancer in the world that should be cut out. The two biggest propagators of hate, Palestinians and Iran. The world will never miss their special brand of Nazism
RIP
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Lannister
During the Reagan Administration the U.S. Navy during patrols of International Waters in and around the Strait of Hormuz...the U.S. Navy and several ships of were attacked by Iranian Speed Boats. The U.S. Navy attempted restraint...the Iranians proceeded to shoot.
The U.S. Navy destroyed a few of these boats as well as shelled and sent a SEAL Demolition Team to destroy an Iranian Oil Platform. These acts were started by IRAN.
Split Infinity
Originally posted by redneck13
Originally posted by mkgandhas
Good,Iran Good. Its time to teach the american Gorillas a lesson.Time to tell them that mass murder american empire cannot scare and cow the people of Persia.
heheheheheheheheh
edit on 5-7-2012 by redneck13 because: .
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Do you seriously need to post that in every thread that includes Muslims?
Your subliminal hate messages are not that discreet.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
EACH STAR IS AN AMERICAN MILITARY BASE:
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
What's wrong with the map?
What can you say against it's obvious facts?
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Do you not see the PNAC agenda unfolding in front of your very own eyes while you try and justify it with right with mainstream rhetoric backed by the likes of FOX News and Glenn Beck?
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I'm trying to be nice here but you are obviously on another of your anti Iran rants and are willing to distort or misrepresent any information you come across of.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Xcat. You make fun of the map without explaining why. A genuine reason backed up with a small amount of logic would be appreciated. That map illustrates exactly how the West which you hold so dear has been up to an obvious agenda (and yes I admit Iran and friends have an agenda too even though they are not effing up world peace like the right wing neo cons u support)and are doing anything to accomplish it including brainwash it's own people which you have personally fallllen victim to.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Be ashamed...over and out for now Xcat.
Originally posted by Arbeit
Iran has the legal right to block any waterway within it's territory. This legal right will invariably be ignored by the US and it's slavish client states in their drive to solidify the Imperialist USA's control on the world's resources.
Sanctions are designed to FORCE a country to submit to your will, not exercise your right to free trade I would put it in an easier to understand format but I'm all out of crayons and scrap paper. If you disagree the please explain and I hope you have something more to base the theory on than some polished turd of a document that means as much as any other polished turd created by criminals acting for their own selfish interests.