I dont think the moon really cares how big or small,or how far away the sun actually is,but i sure do

Please clarify.

and we are able to see with our eyes the light from a few hundred stars reaching us all the time and so why are we not able to see the light from the millions and billions of stars reaching us that supposedly are out there?

So you haven't been in the middle of a desert before, have you? You can literally see thousands of stars when you are far enough away from civilization's light polluted cities. And that's just in your little area of the sky relative to your position. You can see thousands in the sky all around the world.

And simply put to answer your question, light spreads out the farther it travels making it less visible to our eyes over such long distances. That's why it's possible to see many many more through a good telescope...

Hell, the light from billions more stars hasn't even traveled long enough to reach us yet!

Try this experiment with a flashlight. Stand 1 foot away from a wall and point a flashlight at it. Notice the light is in a small concentrated spot? Now go take the flashlight and point it across a field or something. By your logic, that light should stay tightly concentrated and that flashlight should be able to brightly light anything in front of you no matter the distance.

Use your brain. It's painless I promise.

Originally posted by blocula


Surely the night sky should be lit up and aglow more or less like daytime,should it not?

No, it shouldn't...that's why the sun is our nearest star and the rest are not....

I know, it's amazing to actually understand our bright hot sun is only one of those pathetic little specks among billions in the sky.

Oh boy, well, its not what people think at all. I do look into it, though harder currently with all the cold weather and rain here, now my eyes are blinking and its suddenly glaring. But, I sungaze. And do so safely and follow rules.

Now, this whole universe is an interactive holographic experience. The sun is personal, it responds to you on a personal level, it is bigger or smaller depending on what your awareness is, and it interacts with you, your guides speak to you through it, you came through it.

I have some photos, like to take pics of the sun. Even in photos the energy is live, its real, it codes you. No medium makes it impotent.

It heals. Its the mom of the system. Its a crystal mirror. Beyond it is heaven and home.

The infared lense on some of these shows it interacting.




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Its never small, is always streaming real colors and its crystalline, the hexagram shapes are like the calcite shaped crystals in your pineal!!!!!

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Sometimes views need to be expressed with a "Little" bit of evidence supporting the fact...

Ok one easy thing to do I guess where to go up in an airplane into the skies facing it on a sunny day and measure just how much bigger the sun appears off the ground than on it. That change versus the distance you've travelled towards it might give you some indication of how far it is and just how big?

Then do the same from the point of view of fish in an aquarium with an artificial point light source. Test the theory with different size light sources ...If you can calculate the distance correctly in the aquarium experiment then I think it is safe to say we can do the same with the sun.

Not a mathematician and way too tired to go find the formula but I'm sure you'll work it out.

Just thoughts...

Originally posted by blocula
Go outside on a clear day and try looking at the sun,its so blindingly bright we cant even look at it with our eyes and theres just no way that i'm going to believe its really 865,000 miles across and 93,000,000 miles away...

The Sun is big, really, really big. Almost all of the matter that makes up our solar system is contained within the Sun, that's why it can keep things that are so far away in its orbit and the reason it shines so amazingly brightly is because all of that matter is burning, and not burning like coal, burning like a nuclear explosion...in fact, I shouldn't say "like" a nuclear explosion, because that's what the Sun is, a gigantic nuclear explosion that has been exploding for almost 5 billion straight years and is due to keep exploding for another 5 billion more.

I know, it's hard to fathom primal forces so vast and so powerful, but that's what is going on.

If the suns gravity keeps the earth in orbit,whats holding the sun within its orbit?

In orbit around the rest of the Milky Way Galaxy? Well, the gravity of the rest of the galaxy, of course. There's between 200 billion and 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, and lot more dark matter besides that. The combined effects of the gravity of all these stars and the dark matter keep the whole thing together.

Why do we only see a few hundred stars at night? why isnt the night sky filled with millions of stars? why isnt the sky at night aglow like day?

Have you ever been out at night in the countryside where there's no light pollution? You will see many thousands of stars at night, not just a few hundred. We can see only those stars that are close enough and bright enough that their light doesn't become too dim by the time it reaches Earth. With more sensitive tools, very powerful telescopes, we can see many more stars than our human eyes are capable of.

Maybe it's hard for you to conceive of these sizes and distances, which isn't surprising because they are all on scales that are pretty far beyond what our brains were designed to comprehend. Our brain and sensory organs evolved to help us survive in the middle-scale environment of hunting, gathering and keeping alive in the African wilderness. At that scale the largest distances we need to fathom are measured in the tens of miles, or maybe hundreds for a nomadic culture. The biggest single thing we'd ever see that is close enough for us to really comprehend its size is a big mountain, valley or plain. A glorious vista on Earth is the biggest view we'd ever need to see and understand, so to our brains that's about as big as we can really imagine. Everything beyond that is a bit hard for us to make sense of. Yes, we all can see the moon most every night, a whole other world -- a pretty big one, nearly as big as Mercury, actually -- but our moon is far enough away that it looks pretty small, so until we really understood what it was we didn't have to comprehend it at those scales.

Originally posted by blocula
Why do we only see a few hundred stars at night? why isnt the night sky filled with millions of stars?

It is, go outside and have a look (away from artificial lights). It is very obvious you have never been outside and actually looked at the sky!

Ok, you state the sun is much smaller and a lot closer.
Let's for the sake of discussion assume that you're correct in your belief ... then I'm sure you will be able to specify EXACTLY the size of the sun and it's EXACT distance from earth. Also name your sources.

If you're going to make up these sort of threads, then at least have the "cahunas" to back up your claims with hard data.

Edit: Just occurred to me that using your "logic", we could just as readily state that the sun is much BIGGER and much FURTHER away.

Originally posted by blocula
Why do we only see a few hundred stars at night? why isnt the night sky filled with millions of stars? why isnt the sky at night aglow like day?

You must be in the city. Light and smog has a huge affect.

Here, if you go out bush on a clear night, there are tens of thousands at the least. Look through night vision, and you certainly get them in the millions.

Originally posted by Doodle19815
Wait, what are all the satellites seeing then? Where is manhater and all of her videos from SOHO?

edit on 30-6-2012 by Doodle19815 because: (no reason given)

Helioviewer is down, you're going to wait until the power gets turned back on.

The thing is, Until someone is out side of this box we call our solar system and observing from the outside we truly will never know, We will continue to understand and learn all we can from our prospective. That is the best we can do.

And if we are a farm so to speak and peeps are hung up on well there is to many stars and or we have satellites etc how hard would it be for a farmer to keep this illusion up..?

Now do i believe the op.... na doubt it, but we will never know. keep on living the best we can and that is we can ever do.

Oh op, what time is harvest time btw,