Why are Americans prodominantly against Obamacare?

Originally posted by Red Cloak
Because the average citizen of the USA is a total scum bag and a psychopath. Not to mention the vast majority of them have I.Q.s in the low 80s range.

I know.

You're right.

We should thank the government for taking away our freedoms, our rights to self determination.

*drool*

reply to post by NavyDoc

Your 500 dollar tylenol was government in action.

I believe that too, we all know the horror stories on government waste.
www.chicagotribune.com...

Originally posted by Red Cloak
Because the average citizen of the USA is a total scum bag and a psychopath.

Really?
sigh

Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Spin it however you like.

I dont care who's at fault or why it is. In a situation where tylenol costs 500 dollars, there's a gigantic problem. No?

 

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I'm not trying to spin it and I apologize if I came off rude or arguementative. What I'm trying to point out is that a $500 dose of tylenol is a horrbile problem but that finding a solution to that problem is to realize where the origin of the problem is. It is easy to look at a bill and say "those bastards at the hospital cahrged me what?!?!?!" and blame greedy hospitals, but there is a world more background information behind a bill in a hospital than most laypersons realize.

I haven't liked it since that bat # crazy harpy Pelosi said "We have to pass the bill so we can know what's in it."

That pretty much told me that they didn't know what the hell they were doing with this bill.

Reply to post by NavyDoc

Yeah initially I did say "those greedy bastards charged me 500 dollars!"

Throught the healthcare debate though, I have come to realize all the aspects which go into even routine procedures and there's a lot of things which I wasn't aware of or never thought of just because I didn't have to.
I typically vote democratic even as a registered I due to my union backround, but I would vote for a republican in a heartbeat if I believed that Tylenol would no longer be hundreds of dollars.
I do still believe that corporate greed that has a lot to do with what goes on in this country and frankly, I believe the mandate is a corporate institution, backed by politicians who've been supported by same corporations. Same as it is with any special interest.
I wish the American people would be considered once in a while is all. Is that too much to ask for?


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I agree with you, and I didn't forget I addressed it in my first response. Now the government is just engineering it where they get a bigger piece of the pie.

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I think your kind of missing my main point here. The main concern is that the government is forcing us to buy health insurance. They should not have that authority. I'm not suggesting the old health care system is fine, it certainly needs improving, it's just I nor anyone other citizen of this country should be forced to have it.

I don't have to have car insurance, I don't have to own a car. I don't have to even pay any taxes. I can choose to live off of others if thats how I want to live my life and not have it illegal. However I now have to have health insurance because my government says so. Thats wrong

Originally posted by spinalremain
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Yeah initially I did say "those greedy bastards charged me 500 dollars!"

Throught the healthcare debate though, I have come to realize all the aspects which go into even routine procedures and there's a lot of things which I wasn't aware of or never thought of just because I didn't have to.
I typically vote democratic even as a registered I due to my union backround, but I would vote for a republican in a heartbeat if I believed that Tylenol would no longer be hundreds of dollars.
I do still believe that corporate greed that has a lot to do with what goes on in this country and frankly, I believe the mandate is a corporate institution, backed by politicians who've been supported by same corporations. Same as it is with any special interest.
I wish the American people would be considered once in a while is all. Is that too much to ask for?

 

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THe trouble is, that politicians don't give a # about the poor or underprivileged either. Pelosi does not care, Obama does not care. Entitlements are just another way to purchase votes from the masses. Although there is no perfect system, I think that history clearly shows that the most good comes to the most people at the lowest cost when government gets out of the way. Oh, and lawyers, less lawyers.

I don't think the vast majority of American's even care about it. Maybe it seems that way because the media frames it as such, but most people I know really aren't overly moved either way.

I'm personally a dirty, liberal, socialist, pinko, commie deserving of death around these parts-I support single payer health care.

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All at the behest of those who control the hedge funds who must be profitable. Why do you leave out the real controllers from your rant? The banks and the corporations are not the ones in control. Who are they beholden to?

Originally posted by Chance321
I'm waiting for the racism card to be played.

you look like an idiot saying this,
when you kinda just played the racism card .

it goes both ways.

Well, I hope there is some truth to this, one can hope that it works out that way. In the article they claim Justice Roberts ruled in favor of states rights and took away any federal punishment if states do not participate in the Health Care Mandate. Originally, the feds could threaten states by withholding such things as Medicare funding if they refused to participate, that was ruled as being unconstitutional. If this is the case, I will be asking if you are in a FREE state (tax mandate free) or a SLAVE state (mandated fed. govt. tax and 'care') in a few years.

Chief Justice Roberts is a Genius?

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I only want to clear something up here, because in reading a number of your posts I feel that you don't understand how our system is set up (already), and currently. Those who are poor/needy already do most certainly receive health-care. There are programs in place for those who cannot afford health-care.

Example; As we speak my bf, who is a working class, middle income citizen, has insurance through his work. He works hard and yet even with the health-care (that he contributes) it is difficult for him to afford things that the insurance won't cover,ie;co-pays for MRIs & such. By comparison, I am physically disabled (and therefore non-working/poor), yet my state insurance pays 100% for all tests, MRIs, injections, etc. I do pay a (very small) co-pay to any Dr. I see, or Rx that I am written.

This new system is simply a way to make everyone pay for something that they either don't need, or don't want. Although it's clear that some people do seem to want it...I'm not exactly sure what those people think they are going to get out of it that they don't already have.

The system we have now does need some tweaking, Pre-existing medical issues covered and such. More controlled in billing, etc.(to name a couple), but I see more bad than good with this OC (personal responsibility, our freedom of choice, constitution, etc.) The loopholes are many as is those who will be affected by them. This isn't being set up to be even remotely similar to the health-care system that is being utilized in the UK.

Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

We invest more money in WAR because of the current situation that started in 1990's with Iraq and George Bush Sr. and because of 9/11/2001 and because if WE want to be a SuperPower, we have to have an arsenal better than any country on the face of the planet.

People in America are against ObamaCare because it is tantamount to allowing Government to run everything in Amierica and every American's life. We DO NOT want or NEED SOCIALISM. If WE allow this, WE will allow ANYTHING GOES in America. PERIOD !!!!!

No im not missing that point at all. If you followed the thread you would see that I don't at all disagree with you.


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Originally posted by spinalremain
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77 percent isn't most?
www.huffingtonpost.com...

 

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77% on HP is not the same as 77% as a whole.
The majority of HP members are democratic voters.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
Because the average citizen of the USA is a total scum bag and a psychopath. Not to mention the vast majority of them have I.Q.s in the low 80s range.

Good job trolling

Way to take a stab at Americans by commenting deconstructing and factless information in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with you. Here's your victory dance.


Honestly, this is an American issue.. if you don't have anything constructive to add, hate us on your own threads somewhere else. Thanks in advance.

Please don't bring nationality into this. It is just ridiculous. It's hard to compare countries when our populations are so different. That being said if you make about 50k a year in the US, 30% of it will go away in taxes not including sales tax. In the Uk the tax rate for the same equivalent salary is about 28%. So please try to understand that things are different. The uk does get taxed more cause of their sales tax, tv tax and what not. The truth is all Americans want health care just not this way. If you didn't read, Obama has had meetings with pharmaceutical companies to keep the price of drugs high. Obamacare was proposed by insurance companies way back when. He gave big business, people's tax money to try to stimulate the economy. He created over 2 million jobs but we lost more than 4million. And this new tax would destroy the middle class in the US if we weren't struggling enough now. There is obviously something wrong here. So please don't say things like Hohn stupid American or something like that. No countries are run the same. I myself believe national health care is needed but not this way. Big insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will make a killing and destroy smaller companies. More smaller businesses run by people like you or me will close. There is much more to. The issue then any of us know. It'll take time to fully understand what is going on. So please everyone keep an open mind. Stop the name calling and the feeling of self righteousness.