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Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by Stormdancer777
Whoa whoa. Take it easy please.
No one is asking that you die. That's pretty terrible. I don't want anyone to die. Who the hell told baby boomers to die?
That's not what people are thinking. Who said that?
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Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by davcon
Its not forcing us to buy government healthcare though.
If affordable, we must purchase from private companies. The one's who've created the problem of skyrocketing prices. Hospital charges 500 dollars for Acetaminophen and insurance companies raise premiums as a result. That's why healthcare is so damned expensive. It's nothing to do with gubbmint
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Originally posted by spinalremain
As long as you dismiss such things I suppose we can even laugh at that comment. Only a miserable and lesser human being would even consider such a thought. That is not what people who are in favor of SS think though. Not by a long shot.
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Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by NavyDoc
I swear to god almighty that South Nassau communities hospital in Oceanside NY charged me 500 dollars for acetamenaphine in June of 2007.
I will look for the bill somewhere. If you don't believe me that's fine, but I have no reason to lie and I'm sure others here have seen the same thing.
Originally posted by spinalremain
You're saying that in effect, the ACA is going to put into practice a situation where doctors have to knowingly not treat a patient because of financial politics?
How is that the fault of the ACA? If anything, I would say that the act is trying to do the exact opposite and that the problem is glaringly with the guy holding the scalpel.
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You 500 dollar tylenol bill paid for care for the various illegals and indigent that the hospital was mandated to care for.
Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by NavyDoc
im not home right now to look for bill, but I will later I promise.
Anyway, here's a guy who was charged 350.00 for tylenol.
The problem is very real.
mycrohnsandcolitis.com...
Originally posted by Binder
Originally posted by spinalremain
You're saying that in effect, the ACA is going to put into practice a situation where doctors have to knowingly not treat a patient because of financial politics?
How is that the fault of the ACA? If anything, I would say that the act is trying to do the exact opposite and that the problem is glaringly with the guy holding the scalpel.
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That is EXACTLY what I am saying. It IS the faulty of the Affordable Care Act in that it worsens a situation that ALREADY exists where doctors cannot treat patients as effectively at times as they would like because of financial politics. It is not the fault of the guy holding the scalpel. He is getting raped already. Have you noticed most doctors now days have foreign accents? That is because only people from 3rd world countries would realise a substantiual enough increase in standard of tliving to become a doctor now days. Do you know what a GP makes? About $140K a year, and they usually have about $300K in student loan debt to get there. If they are financially savvy, and started early in life they might have a nice retirement. Not a great trade for 12 years of Hell to become a doctor.
If you want to point fingers point them at multi BILLION dollar pharmaceutical companies, and hospital administrators, and CEOs that get multi-million dollar a year bonuses. For killing people by staffing at the lowest levels possible, and still maintain "Minimum level of care." to keep their sorry asses out of jail, and maintain their JCAHO certification so they can bilk tax dollars. Spit out the propaganda man, and listen to a grunt on the front lines. It isn't doctors, and nurses that want this crap. It's the power players that see you as cattle, and you are rooting for the elite right now.
Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by NavyDoc
im not home right now to look for bill, but I will later I promise.
Anyway, here's a guy who was charged 350.00 for tylenol.
The problem is very real.
mycrohnsandcolitis.com...
Originally posted by queenofswords
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because it is one huge monstrosity of a Big Government program several thousand pages long with spooky and vague parts in it that nobody understands.
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because we have gotten smarter and more cynical as we watch our politicians grease the palms of Big Union Thugs or Big Corporate Thugs (take your pick).
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because we are already taxed to death: Federal Income Tax, SS Tax, Medicare Tax, State Income Tax, County Tax, Hospital Tax, Property Tax, School Tax, Sales Tax....and then if you're in business you have FUTA, SUTA, Workman's Comp, your matching employee SS tax. GOOD GRIEF!! We are taxed to death.
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because we KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, it will become just another Big Government Bloated Program and our kids and grandkids will have to eventually work 10 months of the year just to pay all the taxes.
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because most of us still retain the American soul of independence, hard work, and industriousness. Our poor and disadvantaged already have programs in place that provide for them.
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because the problems that exist in the healthcare system could have been fixed with a few regulatory tweaks....but, NOOOOOOO! They saw an opportunity to bleed the middle and upper class even more and line the pockets of politicians and banks and big corps.
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because we do not want to be like Europe or any other nation. We prefer to teach a man to fish rather than give him a fish every single day of his life. If he needs a few fish to get him through a rough spot, we are right there, but Americans are tired of the culture of leeches that have invaded the American Way.
We are a compassionate and caring people. We have so many programs for the disadvantaged, it would take reams of paper to list them all (both Government and Private and Corporate and Religious). The cracks that exist for those who are hurting can be fixed. We don't need Obamacare to do it. We just need honest, thoughtful, fail safe tweeks.
edit on 30-6-2012 by queenofswords because: (no reason given)