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Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
It is a tax increase anyone who think that "Obama care" was about health insurance is kidding themselves.

Fact rates have already increased,

Fact prexisting conditions will have to be paid for somehow since the cost of "taking care of them" is going to have to be paid somehow, and the only way to do that is what?

Raise taxes,Raise rates.


Really, can you support your statement with proof?

Because revenue (if someone does not pay for insurance) goes into IRS, it does not mean it is a tax.

How this will affect me? It will not at all, I already pay for health insurance for my family.

How this will affect all of my friends? All of them pay for health insurance, so it will not.

It is common sense if more people have insurance, price of insurance has to go down, so down the road we should actually pay less.

Actually, there is something that will affect me with this law - my kid will have insurance until 26 - isn't that nice, that kid in College can have parents insurance without paying premium/full price?

So, please, can you provide proof that you will pay anything more then you do now?

ps. Media and politics can make your judgement cloudy.... this kind of reminds me of Joe the Plumber moment and republican party - now - that was funny....




posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Typical Republican propaganda.

Most of these are not tax increases as much as the end of Bush-era tax breaks. Many of these are taxes which are paid only by a relatively small portion of the population. Many of these have no relation to Obamacare but are simply attempts to get some govt revenue needed desperately because Dubya was running at least two wars while giving his rich friends a tax break.

On the other side, the Obamacare plan will save most of the population, esp the working classes, enormous sums in medical expenses -- which have frequently been the reason that many Americans have had to declare personal bankruptcy -- and make available preventative care to people who previously neglected it because of its cost. The net result is that most people will actually be able to hold on to a bit more of their money.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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The worst president ever? Not even close.

Bush got us into two wars that had no real substance. We went to war in Iraq over a lie. Millions of Iraqis are dead and thousands of US soldiers are dead and maimed because of him and his cronies. Plus the patriot act & illegal wire tapping...

It is sad that you find a healthcare bill or tax worse than that. Only in America......



edit on 29-6-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Yes, I am happy.

And my taxes aren't going to increase over this.

I doubt if 5% of American taxpayers will see an increase in taxes due to this.


But keep pushing that Fox News propaganda...they came up with this tax angle no more than 5 minutes after the decision was read.


OutKast, wouldn't it help if you read the entire list before making such statements?

Do you work? If you do, in January 2013 your share of Medicare taxes just went from 1.45% to 2.35%. If you are self employed, it just went from 2.9% to 3.8%.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I saw the same thing...these taxes are on large corporations...not people.


You must have missed the part too that states if you itemize your tax return to include medical expenses, you now only get a deduction on everything above 10% of your gross adjusted income instead of 7.5%.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the people who supported this monster are laughing their arses off right now. It's the greatest scam in the history of America.

This thing has me really depressed right now.

Nobody gives a damn about the Constitution any more, they only care about money, and taking it away from the American people in any way they can.

Why bother working anymore when they're just going to take it away from me?

I wonder how many people this is going to ruin and then commit suicide over it.



so, you do not believe the supreme court is constitutional, you do know this could sound a little nutty. i guess you would rather have thousands of dollars a year more being taken from you by the insurance companies. and for the people that cannot afford insurance, they can just go away and die.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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And what about this one?


Tax that took effect in 2012:

9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957


So, now we have to pay taxes on our health care premiums too, as if they were additional income? So, your employer gets to deduct health insurance premiums from his taxes, but now you get to pay them instead?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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I don't care for Obama, but this thread is just baseless bashing based on ignorance. I mean ya, I don't know why anyone would want hospitals to actually "help" people...The vast majority of the population is not going to see their taxes increase due to this legislation, and that is the bottom line, since this is your argument. You are just plain wrong, and apparently do not understand the vocabulary used in the bill.

Is it not ironic that the same "evidence" you provide for this nonsense is all that is needed to show that you are wrong. I am not going to spell out every instance that you do not seem to understand, because judging just by the excerpts you pulled from the legislation, and your comments regarding them, I would be wasting my time.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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I'm amazed at the number of people on this thread who choose to remain in their ignorance by refusing to even read the article that's linked. Now I know how Obama got into office in the first place!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
If you needed Medical Care, and I was able to Help you, I would. Would you?


The left plays the sympathy card .... the guilt card ... but it doesn't work.

The left is constantly telling the right to mind it's own business when it comes to abortion and not to impose their moral values onto others. The left should take their own advice now with Obamacare and stop trying to impose their 'everyone should help everyone else' (alleged) moral values onto others.

This has nothing to do with values or morality.
That's BS rhetoric from the left wing political machine.
(much like the 'yes we can' slogan that mezmorized millions of sheeple)

This has everything to do with a government power grab and a nanny state gone wild.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
Its incredible that people are not seeing this for what it is . THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES IN AMERICAN HISTORY !


I hope all those who voted for Obama,are happy.



Instead of blaming Obama maybe you should throw a little blame to the GOP. They are the ones who put the single payer mandate in the bill.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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Everyone is forced to have some sort of income. No one can live off their land and not owe the government money. We are not free.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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The worst president ever? Not even close.

Bush got us into two wars that had no real substance. We went to war in Iraq over a lie. Millions of Iraqis are dead and thousands of US soldiers are dead and maimed because of him and his cronies. Plus the patriot act & illegal wire tapping...

It is sad that you find a healthcare bill or tax worse than that. Only in America......


I love satire! You are one of the funniest people on ATS! Man, the way you were so overt about ex-President Bush, who is no longer relevant in any way, then very subtly didn't say how current President Obama perpetuates every, single disgusting policy that Bush put into place...you sure put Sonnny in his place!!


Oh, and Sonnny, don't forget about these taxes:


/TOA



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
If you needed Medical Care, and I was able to Help you, I would.

Would you?

No, I believe you stated your values quite clearly.

Funny though, you Donned a Uniform to Protect this country and its People.

Now you will sit Idly by , and Watch them Die.

Ironic.


Well thats great! I know a bunch of people that need medical care and can't afford it, and I will happily contact you with the details so you can pay for them!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Something has got to pay for this gargantuan piece of legislation? So it is only natural that taxes are going to go up across the board. Why some seem to think that is not going to happen is beyond me?

CBO: ObamaCare Price Tag Shifts from $940 Billion to $1.76 Trillion


President Obama's landmark healthcare overhaul is projected to cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, reports the Congressional Budget Office, a hefty sum more than the $940 billion estimated when the healthcare legislation was signed into law. To put it mildly, ObamaCare's projected net worth is far off from its original estimate -- in fact, about $820 billion off.


That is quite a hefty sum to add to the already ballooning Federal Budget. I would not be surprised if that estimate is wrong. So why don't we just double the $1.7 trillion dollar estimate. Oh, lets not worry the corporations and the 1% can pay for it. That seems to be the going wisdom around here and elsewhere. No one is talking about the potential layoffs and overseas relocation as their efforts to meet the new tax or to stay a float.

Not to worry, the little guy will not have to pay for anything. My taxes went up last year. As did my healthcare costs as well. I guess it is about time to stock up on cat food and complete the renovations to my cardboard box? Government ought to be cutting its budget, and not adding too it. How many times do they expect to sheer a sheep, before they remove the skin off its bones? No use boohooing over it anymore, because the Supreme Court decided for everyone that our government can tax us on anything. To put things into perspective, our budget deficit would have cost everyone a little over 40-thousand-dollars if they balanced the budget today, and under standard accounting practices.

Real federal deficit dwarfs official tally


The typical American household would have paid nearly all of its income in taxes last year to balance the budget if the government used standard accounting rules to compute the deficit, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Under those accounting practices, the government ran red ink last year equal to $42,054 per household — nearly four times the official number reported under unique rules set by Congress.

A U.S. household's median income is $49,445, the Census reports.


The President said this legislation was not going to be a tax, but it looks like the Supreme Court interprets it another way.



I am quite disappointed by the decision from yesterday, and it looks like a big crap sandwich was served and we all have to take a bite. Can I eat mine with a little ketchup? Just look at the numbers, and analyze the double-speak and everyone should see that we may have bit off far more than we can chew?


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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by SuperFrog

Really, can you support your statement with proof?

Because revenue (if someone does not pay for insurance) goes into IRS, it does not mean it is a tax.


Oh come on now. The decision said it was a tax, don't try to spin away from it.


How this will affect me? It will not at all, I already pay for health insurance for my family.

How this will affect all of my friends? All of them pay for health insurance, so it will not.

It is common sense if more people have insurance, price of insurance has to go down, so down the road we should actually pay less.

Actually, there is something that will affect me with this law - my kid will have insurance until 26 - isn't that nice, that kid in College can have parents insurance without paying premium/full price?

So, please, can you provide proof that you will pay anything more then you do now?

ps. Media and politics can make your judgement cloudy.... this kind of reminds me of Joe the Plumber moment and republican party - now - that was funny....


Am I the only one who realizes that the two argumets for healthcare that we hear contradict each other? The argument here, that prices will go down because people that are getting care now and not paying for it will have insurance, admits that people can get care without paying for it right now.

The other argument, that we morally have to help poor people that can't get health care, contradicts this. According to the first argument, they can already get care.

Also, the point that you make that insurance prices would go down seems telling to me. It seems that a lot of people make this argument and it appears selfish to me. The reason prices may theoretically go down is because a whole group of healthy people that won't use healthcare now have to pay for it.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Nobody gives a damn about the Constitution any more, they only care about money, and taking it away from the American people in any way they can.


Hold on friend. Hold on. You are complaining this is about money? No, it's about affordable healthcare for those who can't afford it and aren't getting it from their jobs. Those with health coverage see nothing increase, at all.

So, sure, it's about money. It's about people like you saying that your money is more important than a human life, that's exactly what you are saying.

Hell in another thread, a guy actually said he has no insurance, refuses to get some, and when he gets sick it is his duty to "man up and die"

This, my friends, in only in America.

Obamacare is misguided and isn't actually socialized medicine, it's a small step towards providing equal and affordable access to everyone.

See, in the world I live in, I care about others, and I would rather live in a third world country than live in a country where medical care is handed out only to those who can afford it.

And...... let us not forget, that the very politicians that lead you to be against this, are themselves, receiving ACTUAL socialized government run medical care at your tax dollars expense, full on socialized, not this forced into buying private coverage crap.

But sure, why not, providing health coverage to those who need it will surely destroy america.

So, you don't mind your tax dollars going to the federal reserve to invent more fictitious money, you don't mind your tax dollars going to the military and their insane projects and wars, you don't even mind your tax dollars going to politicians so they can have expense accounts and high priced escorts...

But damned if you will lend a dime to someone in need where it might actually save a life.

What happened to a united states of america? Where did this individualism come from?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Also, the point that you make that insurance prices would go down seems telling to me. It seems that a lot of people make this argument and it appears selfish to me. The reason prices may theoretically go down is because a whole group of healthy people that won't use healthcare now have to pay for it.


Your local and state taxes pay for schools you might not have kids in, roads you might not drive on, parks you might not visit.

Are you upset about that too?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Grambler
Oh come on now. The decision said it was a tax, don't try to spin away from it.


Like tax because in goes into IRS account, not a TAX!

Yesterday on NPR they talk to supporters and opposition to supreme court decisions, and it was clear that all of those who opposed the law had no idea why they are opposing it.

One good example of people affected by it, many workers who work for minimum wage that can not afford healthcare insurance.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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But sure, why not, providing health coverage to those who need it will surely destroy america.

So, you don't mind your tax dollars going to the federal reserve to invent more fictitious money, you don't mind your tax dollars going to the military and their insane projects and wars, you don't even mind your tax dollars going to politicians so they can have expense accounts and high priced escorts... But damned if you will lend a dime to someone in need where it might actually save a life.

What happened to a united states of america? Where did this individualism come from?


It's not the ONE thing that will destroy America, but it's a combination of everything combined that you just mentioned that will.

As more people lose their jobs, there are going to be less people with jobs to provide revenue to cover ANY of the above.

Obama should have concentrated on jobs during the 18 months he spent focusing on a broken health care reform bill. Until you correct that problem, the rest is moot because there won't be anyone left to pay for it.



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