reply to post by PsykoOps
I see no mention of foreskin as a vestigial.
It's a debated issue: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Your pinky is in the same boat. It's not necessary. You can live perfectly fine without it (actually - you can live perfectly fine with your thumb
and two fingers that possess an amount of gripping strength). Doesn't mean it's completely useless or that you should rush out to cut it off.
Except if the pinky could be demonstrated to create hygiene and cancer issues...
So your point is bit moot.
Not really. The only real enticing argument against circumcision is the idea that you may be somehow dulling a person's future sex life. Though
demonstrating that with some kind of evidence aside from "it has more nerve endings" (your tongue has a lot of nerve endings and can only
distinguish between four sensations) is a little difficult.
The rest are mostly moot.
If I make the decision to not circumcise my children - it would be because I wouldn't want to dull that experience for them... of course - I know
quite a few girls who are not too keen on uncircumcised guys (though I suppose that means she's not worth sleeping with, anyway - same goes for if
she only wants 'uncut' guys).
Because that's something I can't quantify. Risk, cost, statistics - those can be quantified and calculated. It's the subjective stuff that makes
it a difficult decision.
But, that said - I wouldn't hesitate to have my child genetically modified to remove a flawed gene sequence or to reduce the risk of vision/hearing
problems (if such problems are genetic as opposed to gestative). So it's odd I should walk the fence on a similar decision.
Also just because there might be some problems later on doens't justify mutilation. If there is no medical reason to circumcise then it's
just pure mutilation.
You really like your buzz words.
Call a rose garbage if you want. It doesn't change what it is. As it's commonly practiced in modern societies; it's a sterile procedure done to
minimize damage to surrounding tissues and promote healing.
If you call that mutilation - then so be it. Just remember that any time you go on the table and I give you # by acting shocked and horrified that
you allowed people to mutilate you to prevent future problems (such as heart failure, ruptured kidneys, aneurisms, gal/kidney stones, other
I've given you the medical reasons to circumcise. There are considerable immediate factors (risks to infants - such as bladder infections and other
complications that are higher among infants with foreskins), and further complications that can arise later (phemosis, cancer, increased viral
communicability, hygiene issues in remote locations or adverse conditions, etc).
For example - today, I sweated through my uniform several times over. As fast as I was drinking water - it was flushed through my skin (It's all
velvety smooth now... kind of weird and I fear all of my testosterone went with my electrolytes). Standing at guard mount, there was a puddle forming
under me. I'm lucky - I'm on a good deployment where I have access to a shower after 16 hour effective work cycles.
Quite a few people in parts of Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa don't. Showering is something of a luxury and often weighed against other
responsibilities (such as eating, sleeping, 3M, and sanity-preserving "me-time"). It's an extra concern. People who go camping, hiking, or
participate in other out-door activities can encounter the same issues.
It's an extra factor to take care of - and one of the strongest reasons for circumcision in the first place (especially among the largely nomadic
tribes that spawned the Abrahamic religions).
We can argue over whether or not that's a legitimate reason until the sun goes nova. It's a choice that can really only be decided by individuals
under the council of medical professionals.
Arguably - the largest reason is social pressures: "will my kid be seen as a freak for having a foreskin or not having one?"
Honestly - I don't care. Your camp of thought, however, seems to like making ad-hominem attacks against individuals who are circumcised in an effort
to manipulate the sociological aspect: "I don't want my kid to be considered a freak!"
That turns the issue of circumcision into a cosmetic issue. Infinitely better than a religious one. Genetically enabled flavored smegma and glow in
the dark members to follow.